17 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfThe point is this: it isn't non-credible.
You are still dodging. What is the deterrence effect of a non-credible threat?
When you look at everything, the probability for God's existence is not negligible at all. It has a lot of good arguments about it, and a lot of people very willing to testify to it -- and very diverse people of varying backgrounds.
Moreover, as I said, I am inviting you to validate said "threat" (I'll humor this metaphor).
17 May 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaThe idea that non-believers will be tortured for eternity is not credible to non-believers. So what is the purpose of threatening to torture non-believers for eternity?
The point is this: it isn't non-credible.
When you look at everything, the probability for God's existence is not negligible at all. It has a lot of good arguments about it, and a lot of people very willing to testify to it -- and very diverse people of varying backgrounds.
Moreover, as I said, I am inviting you to validate said "threat" (I'll humor this metaphor).
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17 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfI guess you have taken it upon yourself to speak for all non-believers?
The idea that non-believers will be tortured for eternity is not credible to non-believers. So what is the purpose of threatening to torture non-believers for eternity?
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17 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfYour premise is flawed. Is stating reality a threat? Who is doing the threatening?
The idea that non-believers will be tortured for eternity is not credible to non-believers. So what is the purpose of threatening to torture non-believers for eternity?
If I tell you driving off a cliff will kill you, am I “threatening” you or just stating reality?
Nobody’s threatening anybody. If you don’t believe in God, then obviously you don’t view heaven or hell as real places. People who do believe in God don’t do so out of fear of hell (at least in my experience.) They do so out of being convinced by the evidence and connecting with the Almighty on a spiritual level.
17 May 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaIf a Pro-Wife Beating movement got underway, I think they could distill something from what you are saying here to use on their bumper stickers.
God doesn't send people to hell; people send themselves to hell.
17 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfThat's nice.
The reason I don't ask you "What is the deterrence effect of a non-credible threat?" is because you don't believe in a torturer god.
The reason believers in a torturer god don't answer the question about the deterrence effect of a non-credible threat is because it exposes the psychological and moral incoherence of the torturer god ideology.
Care for a cookie?
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This is apparently the latest atheist trope to enter the SF - claims that Christians “threaten” non-Christians with hell.
Nobody I know came to be a Christian out of fear - of hell or anything else. They were drawn to Christ by God the Father - often after being beaten down by life - and came to believe after either reading the Bible or investigating the evidence for Christianity’s central tenets (or both.)
No one I know thought, “Golly gee, I sure don’t want to end up in hell so I’m gonna be a Christian.” The whole premise, that becoming a Christian occurs on a carnal level, is ridiculous, but so many atheist tropes (like the “talking snake” in Genesis) are indeed ridiculous.
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17 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfYou seem to want to enter heaven on your terms. God’s house, God’s rules, Kiddo.
Give your cookies to the nice torturer god worshippers.
Salvation is a gift from God. Those who don’t accept it are hardly in a position to blame God for where they end up.
17 May 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI confess, I think he got the whole "bingo" thing from me. Sorry about that.
Is that your favorite game at the moment?
But I don't think he understands that you can't really "bingo" your own comments. It makes one look self-serving. I mean, the reason for the "bingo" in the first place is to acknowledge that someone else "gets" what you're saying. But that's what happens when one adopts a behavior without quite understanding it.
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17 May 18
Originally posted by @suzianneHim “bingo’ing” his own comments was hilarious. It’s like he was saying, “I agree with me. Good point, me.”
I confess, I think he got the whole "bingo" thing from me. Sorry about that.
But I don't think he understands that you can't really "bingo" your own comments. It makes one look self-serving. I mean, the reason for the "bingo" in the first place is to acknowledge that someone else "gets" what you're saying. But that's what happens when one adopts a behavior without quite understanding it.
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