Are God and Faith Anti-Science and Anti-Reason? John Lennox

@bigdoggproblem said
Ahh, but it depends.

Did God try to hide what he did, or not?

If he did not, there is no reason Science can't find out how God did things.

I suppose much of this hinges on one's definition of "miracle".

@eladar said
You ask God. I believe that if He tells you how it is, then He is hiding nothing. Your faulty assumption does not a hiding make.

@BigDoggProblem

What faulty assumption? That if God created the universe then it would start at age zero and starting aging from there.

@eladar said
@BigDoggProblem

What faulty assumption? That if God created the universe then it would start at age zero and starting aging from there.

@bigdoggproblem said
I don't care if it's 0 or 350000. I just want to reason back to that time and figured out what happened from there.

@eladar said
A reason based on your point of view, which assumes God does not exist.

@bigdoggproblem said
But, are there limits to "truth" and logic?

Say, it may be a fact that human scientific knowledge may eventually hit a wall, because of our physical limitations.

[I share your disgust with people who ignore scientific evidence. I just thought it might be more interesting to talk with you than one of those types.]

@caissad4 said
It is possible that our level of comprehension has a limit or wall due to physical limitations. It seems highly improbable that we would have survived as long as we have. But, here we are.

@bigdoggproblem said
They don't have to be.

To me, religion and spirituality are suited for answering questions such as, "why are we here?" and "what is our purpose in life?" and "how should I live life, from a moral standpoint?" and in general, questions more of a philosophical bent.

Science is suited for questions like, "how old is the earth/universe?" and "how did life star ...[text shortened]... think it can answer any question [when clearly it is not always the right tool for the job].

@caissad4 said
Anti-Science is definitely a Christian Creationist attribute. You should actually read many of their mission statements where they clearly state that contrary scientific evidence to their beliefs is of no consequence and all that matters is what they believe and what the Bible says. That is definitely not science and calling it such is a deliberate lie.
As I said, faith has little to do with truth and logic.

@kellyjay said
I actually agree with some of what you say, but I think when we split the two into two different things we lose something important.

@bigdoggproblem said
False.

Even if somehow I became a theist again someday, I would still want to know how God created all of this.

@bigdoggproblem said
such as...?

@kellyjay said
For one blinders hiding truths found in science not faith, and truths found in faith not science. If we spend all of our time looking around half blind we miss a lot.

@bigdoggproblem said
See, that hurts to hear. I thought I had made it a point that both science and religion had their place.