08 Jun 19
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@vivify saidIf you pull one verse out of scripture you can make any point, so take in the whole. Many of the foundational men and women in science were theist, your understanding is not taking it all in. The conflict isn't faith and science, but the world view conflict where people's foundational views on the beginning.
2 Corinthians 5:7:
"We walk by faith, not by sight".
In other words, Christians live based on their beliefs, not by what they can observe. This is antithetical to science and reason.
08 Jun 19
@kellyjay saidThat verse isn't out of context; if it were, I'm sure you would've pointed out why. The Bible makes it clear it wants it's followers to believe it over what they can observe.
If you pull one verse out of scripture you can make any point, so take in the whole. Many of the foundational men and women in science were theist, your understanding is not taking it all in. The conflict isn't faith and science, but the world view conflict where people's foundational views on the beginning.
Many scientists were religious; but it's also religious people who have impeded science throughout history. It's only religious people who argue against evolution or the age of the earth. It's mainly Republicans, made up of the Christian right, who argue against climate change despite scientific evidence for it.
There's even a documentary called "The Principle" that argues for the earth being the center of the universe, based on Biblical scriptures. And let's not forget, of course, the Catholic Church, which held Galileo as a heretic for saying the earth revolves around the sun.
08 Jun 19
@vivify saidI said that we need to view the whole of scripture. We are to love the Lord with our mind as with the rest of our being, we are told to reason. Faith is not shutting down our brains it is trusting in what is trustworthy.
That verse isn't out of context; if it were, I'm sure you would've pointed out why. The Bible makes it clear it wants it's followers to believe it over what they can observe.
Many scientists were religious; but it's also religious people who have impeded science throughout history. It's only religious people who argue against evolution or the age of the earth. It's mainl ...[text shortened]... , the Catholic Church, which held Galileo as a heretic for saying the earth revolves around the sun.
08 Jun 19
@kellyjay saidI once started a thread asking religious people what would be required for them to *not* believe in their religion: Thread 149108
I said that we need to view the whole of scripture. We are to love the Lord with our mind as with the rest of our being, we are told to reason. Faith is not shutting down our brains it is trusting in what is trustworthy.
No one answered the question. This lead to the logical conclusion that no matter what evidence, logical argument, or event in the world happens, there is nothing that will make Christians stop believing. This is the exact opposite of science and reason. But believing no matter what is considered a virtue in your religion.
08 Jun 19
@vivify saidI started this for another reason.
I once started a thread asking religious people what would be required for them to *not* believe in their religion: Thread 149108
No one answered the question. This lead to the logical conclusion that no matter what evidence, logical argument, or event in the world happens, there is nothing that will make Christians stop believing. This is the exact opposite of science and reason. But believing no matter what is considered a virtue in your religion.
08 Jun 19
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@vivify saidYou assume because no one cared to answer, your justified in making assumptions about the answers?
I once started a thread asking religious people what would be required for them to *not* believe in their religion: Thread 149108
No one answered the question. This lead to the logical conclusion that no matter what evidence, logical argument, or event in the world happens, there is nothing that will make Christians stop believing. This is the exact opposite of science and reason. But believing no matter what is considered a virtue in your religion.
08 Jun 19
@vivify saidMy answer to your question is if the scripture painted or described the universe around me differently than what I see I would have to reject it.
I once started a thread asking religious people what would be required for them to *not* believe in their religion: Thread 149108
No one answered the question. This lead to the logical conclusion that no matter what evidence, logical argument, or event in the world happens, there is nothing that will make Christians stop believing. This is the exact opposite of science and reason. But believing no matter what is considered a virtue in your religion.
08 Jun 19
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@kellyjay saidWhich is exactly what science has done to the Bible, because it describes the universe differently from science (6,000 yr age of earth, Global Flood, humans returnin to dust, etc.). Yet, Christians still choose to believe in spotential of evidence and reason.
My answer to your question is if the scripture painted or described the universe around me differently than what I see I would have to reject it.
08 Jun 19
@vivify saidPersonally I think that is debatable, the more we learn the harder it is to believe many things people use to take for granted.
Which is exactly what science has done to the Bible, because it describes the universe differently from science (6,000 yr age of earth, Global Flood, humans returnin to dust, etc.). Yet, Christians still choose to believe in spotential of evidence and reason.