@galveston75 saidIt is a fatal flaw of Christianity for failing to recognise that the word 'saved' does not necessarily mean eternal llfe in the Kingdom of God. Paul went to great lengths to explain to saved born again Christian saints in all the churches that Christian Saints who follow after evil and sin will not enter the Kingdom of God.
I know some here believe that they are saved. I do understand it is a very personal subject and one that most will become defensive over if they are questioned about. I have family members that have made that very clear to me over the years to the point they want nothing to do with me because I questioned them about it. I never approached them in a rude or in a correctiv ...[text shortened]... rom the bible why you are in a brief manner and could that position actually ever be lost? Thanks...
Equally foolish is the idea that one needs to belong to a particular group, sect or religion for God to welcome them into His Kingdom.
22 Feb 19
@suzianne saidOh my gosh!!! Are you really that spiritually blind that you're not seeing that I'm answering you? Do you understand that two times now I have answered you personally and a few more times to this thread ( which dive dude apparently is not seeing either or just being his regular pesty self ) that I've clearly said there is a judgement of all humans no matter their religion???????????????? Wow!!!!! The more I come back here is the darker and more misunderstood some of you get with the truths in the bible. But then Satan is called the God of confusion.... This is so sad and so pathetic that he has so many in his grasp and you don't-even-know-it.
So, are you claiming that there is no Judgement?
That's some ego talking. Only from the mind of the JWs.
Or maybe I'm the fool that keeps coming back and hoping, really hoping that something no matter how small, that is good and upbuilding might just happen here. Nope, not at all I see.
Well see y'all again later. Well, no not ever actually. Have fun beating each other up in this dark place.
22 Feb 19
@galveston75 saidI don't understand people who get this stressed out from not getting the reaction they wanted on an internet forum.
Oh my gosh!!! Are you really that spiritually blind that you're not seeing that I'm answering you? Do you understand that two times now I have answered you personally and a few more times to this thread ( which dive dude apparently is not seeing either or just being his regular pesty self ) that I've clearly said there is a judgement of all humans no matter their religion ...[text shortened]... ee y'all again later. Well, no not ever actually. Have fun beating each other up in this dark place.
Talk about wasting energy on things over which you have no control!
23 Feb 19
@galveston75 saidDo you believe that "Satan" is responsible for deviations from the precise interpretation of "the truths in the bible" that you and your organization espouse?
The more I come back here is the darker and more misunderstood some of you get with the truths in the bible. But then Satan is called the God of confusion....
23 Feb 19
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@galveston75 saidThis why I called what you wrote "self-sanctimonious twaddle". Where did I say I was sinless? I was speaking of the Christ to get you to back up and see what lies you were peddling. One does not pay for their sins by dying. That is the most anti-gospel thing I've ever heard.
To Susan.....
Where did I say that?
I've got a question for you and I hope you'll answer it.
If you are saved and I'm assuming you are saying that because you are "saved" and cannot have the gift you think you've earned of being saved taken away, which would put you on the same same level as Jesus because he was sinless and was in a saved position.
If one is ...[text shortened]... me your thoughts on this and not just revert to your normal put downs and avoiding the questions...
If that's all there is to paying our sin debt, then tell me genius, what need of Jesus? What need of Judgement?
@galveston75 saidA summary of a typical Galveston75 closing post:
Oh my gosh!!! Are you really that spiritually blind that you're not seeing that I'm answering you? Do you understand that two times now I have answered you personally and a few more times to this thread ( which dive dude apparently is not seeing either or just being his regular pesty self ) that I've clearly said there is a judgement of all humans no matter their religion ...[text shortened]... ee y'all again later. Well, no not ever actually. Have fun beating each other up in this dark place.
Feigned astonishment with overuse of exclamations
You are all spiritually blind
You are all lacking understanding
Answering me via proxy
More feigned astonishment at his own post with even more overuse of question marks
This forum darker and darker
You are all so sad and pathetic
You are all in Satan’s confusing grasp
Leaves forum in yet another hissy fit of cultish superiority and hubris
Arrogance, cultism and low intelligence is not a good mix.
23 Feb 19
@rajk999 saidWelcome back. Good to see you again.
It is a fatal flaw of Christianity for failing to recognise that the word 'saved' does not necessarily mean eternal llfe in the Kingdom of God. Paul went to great lengths to explain to saved born again Christian saints in all the churches that Christian Saints who follow after evil and sin will not enter the Kingdom of God.
Equally foolish is the idea that one needs to belong to a particular group, sect or religion for God to welcome them into His Kingdom.
24 Feb 19
@fmf saidMuch of their NT is just wrong. Wrongly derived, as much of the text was created to fit their already-existing dogma, which was mostly wrong to begin with.
Do you think Christians of the JW kind can be "saved" if, in their beliefs, they stick to their JW doctrine?
Is it wrong enough to invalidate salvation? I cannot say. But their non-acceptance of Jesus as God is a major sticking point. There has to be power and truth and actual value behind the sacrifice He made for us upon the cross, or it means nothing. They think He was just an angel. Much of their dogma seems to circumscribe this one point.
But Romans 10:9-10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." I cannot see on their heart, only God can do that.
I cannot know the efficacy of their salvation. Is it possible? Yes. With God all things are possible.
"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." - Romans 10:12-13 KJV
24 Feb 19
@suzianne saidIs it wrong enough to invalidate salvation? I cannot say.
Much of their NT is just wrong. Wrongly derived, as much of the text was created to fit their already-existing dogma, which was mostly wrong to begin with.
Is it wrong enough to invalidate salvation? I cannot say.
Well, it's the thread topic. And the question is posed by a JW. If you cannot say, so be it.
As an aside, are Mormons "saved" according to your way of thinking?
24 Feb 19
@fmf saidThe thread topic is "Are YOU saved?", not "Are those guys over there saved?"
Is it wrong enough to invalidate salvation? I cannot say.
Well, it's the thread topic. And the question is posed by a JW. If you cannot say, so be it.
As an aside, are Mormons "saved" according to your way of thinking?
I cannot see on the heart of JWs, and I cannot see on the heart of Mormons, either.
My external judgement of them doesn't enter into it. I am not God. So of course I cannot say, and neither can anyone else.
24 Feb 19
@suzianne saidIt's just a matter of theology rather than "heart". If you cannot say what you make of some competing or different theologies, seen through the prism of yours, so be it.
The thread topic is "Are YOU saved?", not "Are those guys over there saved?"
I cannot see on the heart of JWs, and I cannot see on the heart of Mormons, either.
My external judgement of them doesn't enter into it. I am not God. So of course I cannot say, and neither can anyone else.
27 Feb 19
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@fmf saidNo, it is not "just a matter of theology".
It's just a matter of theology rather than "heart". If you cannot say what you make of some competing or different theologies, seen through the prism of yours, so be it.
"Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."" - Matthew 22:37-40 NIV
This is the whole of Christianity. The rest follows naturally. This goes beyond "theology".
However, I am human, not God, and so I cannot see on a person's heart, so I do not know if they really do "love God". This is all that is required -- this, and following your own religion's established practices for "following God", no matter your religion. But the first is to "love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind". There are certainly those who call themselves Christian - or JW, or Mormon, or even Muslim, or Jew, who do not "love God" with all their heart, who only perform "lip service", or what Rajk calls "mouth worship", to their God. This is simply not good enough, no matter one's religion. The living God has to live... in the heart, in the soul, and in the mind of his followers. Nothing else is good enough. Do this, and you will be saved.