Atheism vs. Faith

@fmf said
Credibility judged by the subtsance of the extraordinary unprovable thing you are claiming. My opinion? Sure. All we do here is share our opinions. It's all you are doing. It's all I am doing. Our "prejudices are involved", in a manner of speaking, yours and mine.

You cannot say this is larger than that without looking at two things and knowing how to judge that, you cannot say this is heavier than that without a means to show one is heavier than the other. Without your bias what can used to look at something that shows credibility? If is your gut feelings alone you have no credibility in judging as well. Something outside of you, can you come up with a way to prove this beyond your personal beliefs?

@kellyjay said
You cannot say this is larger than that without looking at two things and knowing how to judge that, you cannot say this is heavier than that without a means to show one is heavier than the other. Without your bias what can used to look at something that shows credibility? If is your gut feelings alone you have no credibility in judging as well. Something outside of you, can you come up with a way to prove this beyond your personal beliefs?

That you have convinced yourself that you are somehow using something supernatural that's "beyond your personal beliefs" in order to judge your own opinions and beliefs about supernatural things is about as profoundly subjective as you can get.

@fmf said
That you have convinced yourself that you are somehow using something supernatural that's "beyond your personal beliefs" in order to judge your own opinions and beliefs about supernatural things is about as profoundly subjective as you can get.

If the natural world cannot produce itself through natural means what is left?

@kellyjay said
If the natural world cannot produce itself through natural means what is left?

I don't know what you mean.

@fmf said
Credibility judged by the subtsance of the extraordinary unprovable thing you are claiming. My opinion? Sure. All we do here is share our opinions. It's all you are doing. It's all I am doing. Our "prejudices are involved", in a manner of speaking, yours and mine.

I'm asking you based on what are your opinions formed? If you can tell me we are dealing with our own ideas, fine show me how these things can be discussed in such a manner where our 'ideas' are not able to make a good or bad choice. What do you use when you look for credibility, what tests are involved, what is the criteria for examination where we don't taint things just because we like or don't like the explanation given. All you are doing is sharing your opinion, and you are refusing to spell out any means to avoid that which doesn't involve you likes or dislikes.

@fmf said
I don't know what you mean.

Really? So sad!

@kellyjay said
I'm asking you based on what are your opinions formed?

I have explained 2-3 times already this year. I explained half a dozen times last year. And countless times for several years before that. Why are you asking me again?

@kellyjay said
Really? So sad!

You are inarticulate and proud. If you are genuinely interested in whatever it was you meant, write it again in a more comprehensible way.

@kellyjay said
If you can tell me we are dealing with our own ideas, fine show me how these things can be discussed in such a manner where our 'ideas' are not able to make a good or bad choice. What do you use when you look for credibility, what tests are involved, what is the criteria for examination where we don't taint things just because we like or don't like the explanation given. All ...[text shortened]... d you are refusing to spell out any means to avoid that which doesn't involve you likes or dislikes.

We have discussed all this before. Why are you ignoring past conversations?

@kellyjay said
All you are doing is sharing your opinion, and you are refusing to spell out any means to avoid that which doesn't involve you likes or dislikes.

Yes, I am sharing my opinion. And that's what you are doing as well. I have spelt out in great detail my reasoning and my observations on this matter. Here you are pretending that I haven't.

@fmf said
Yes, I am sharing my opinion. And that's what you are doing as well. I have spelt out in great detail my reasoning and my observations on this matter. Here you are pretending that I haven't.

I hear your opinions yea, but what means you came by them no. You question opinions, but don't talk about why people come to their beliefs.

@kellyjay said
I hear your opinions yea, but what means you came by them no. You question opinions, but don't talk about why people come to their beliefs.

Why are you ignoring the content of my posts? I have talked extensively about how and why and from where and for what purpose people come to their moral beliefs. In detail. Repeatedly. Recently. You just block it out, refuse to engage it, and then after a period of time, you return and pretend that I didn't address it.

@fmf said
Why are you ignoring the content of my posts? I have talked extensively about how and why and from where and for what purpose people come to their moral beliefs. In detail. Repeatedly. Recently. You just block it out, refuse to engage it, and then after a period of time, you return and pretend that I didn't address it.

Engage in more of the same isn't worth it for me. In order to make a choice certain things must be looked at to come up a valid response. I've been asking you what your criteria is not what you think, you give me more thoughts no criteria. Nothing to engage with if that is all you are going to do. You admitted to a creator in one thread and reject one in another, you cannot even maintain a consistent thought in your thinking. I would not call here what is going on ignoring the context of your post, I find them lacking in anything other that you telling me what you think not how you come to the conclusions you have reached which is really all I have been asking for.

@kellyjay said
You admitted to a creator in one thread and reject one in another, you cannot even maintain a consistent thought in your thinking.

You are an inattentive and undiscerning buffoon.

@kellyjay said
Engage in more of the same isn't worth it for me. In order to make a choice certain things must be looked at to come up a valid response. I've been asking you what your criteria is not what you think, you give me more thoughts no criteria. Nothing to engage with if that is all you are going to do. You admitted to a creator in one thread and reject one in another, you cannot ...[text shortened]... ink not how you come to the conclusions you have reached which is really all I have been asking for.

Why are you pretending that you and I have not discussed this and that I have not explained my reasoning already, in full and repeatedly?