Atheist Delusion

Originally posted by FMF
My reason for not believing that your god figure created the universe is that the claim that you make that he did is implausible and unconvincing.

Based upon what do you decide that it is implausible?

Originally posted by FMF
Nobody has convinced me that they know the origin of the universe.

So the fact that you are not convinced automatically means that they don't know?

Originally posted by FMF
This is sophistry.

Call it what you want. I call it as I see it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Based upon what do you decide that it is implausible?

We are talking about my belief, right? ...and not about something I require you to believe. So, I don't find your claims credible. In fact, I believe that you don't know the origin of the universe but that you have settled upon and committed yourself to an explanation that you personally find plausible.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So the fact that you are not convinced automatically means that they don't know?

Well, you asked me what I believe, right? So I have told you.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Based upon what do you decide that it is implausible?

Would you say that you know how the universe came into being?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So the fact that you are not convinced automatically means that they don't know?

If somebody claims to know something of such moment, the grounds for that knowledge should be considered. One's own personal feelings and pre-scientific scripture may be considered by some a reasonable basis for belief, but certainly no more than that.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
If somebody claims to know something of such moment, the grounds for that knowledge should be considered. One's own personal feelings and pre-scientific scripture may be considered by some a reasonable basis for belief, but certainly no more than that.

One of the issues I have is when people claim no knowledge yet can proclaim in their ignorance, that they know somethings are just wrong about the start of the universe.

Originally posted by KellyJay
One of the issues I have is when people claim no knowledge yet can proclaim in their ignorance, that they know somethings are just wrong about the start of the universe.

It is quite reasonable to claim that one does not know how X happened, but to also claim to know it wasn't because of some Y. It's called ruling things out.

Originally posted by KellyJay
One of the issues I have is when people claim no knowledge yet can proclaim in their ignorance, that they know somethings are just wrong about the start of the universe.

You mean like having no knowledge of the square root of 1945.623, yet having the audacity to rule out the answer of 7?

Originally posted by KellyJay
One of the issues I have is when people claim no knowledge yet can proclaim in their ignorance, that they know somethings are just wrong about the start of the universe.

Let me clarify for your the sake of your issue. I don't know that your god didn't create the universe. I do know that you don't know that he did.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Let me clarify for your the sake of your issue. I don't know that your god didn't create the universe. I do know that you don't know that he did.

How did you come about acquiring that knowledge?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How did you come about acquiring that knowledge?

Are you not reading the thread? I explained.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You mean like having no knowledge of the square root of 1945.623, yet having the audacity to rule out the answer of 7?

We can figure out square roots, what can't be done is claim enough knowledge to rule out God with respect to the universe's beginning. Please share the theory you use that you believe is a more reasonable answer.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Let me clarify for your the sake of your issue. I don't know that your god didn't create the universe. I do know that you don't know that he did.

I agree with you it will be a matter of faith.