Atheist Delusion

Originally posted by FMF
Your hypothetical is that the universe supposedly must have been designed because of blah blah blah spaceship blah blah blah. The fact of the matter is, from my point of view, neither of us know how the universe originated (or indeed if it's simply always been there). And while you have made your mind up that it was designed and created by the Christian god figure, I remain open minded.

Open-mindedness means looking at everything honestly. If you do that I am sure you will eventually find the truth. That is if you are open to the truth. I wish you all the best.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The order in the universe points to some form of architect or designer.

The thread is called "Atheist Delusion" and was started by josephw. Do you agree with his belief ~ that people who do not believe that the order in the universe points to some form of architect or designer ~ are mentally disturbed, deluded, and dishonest?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Open-mindedness means looking at everything honestly. If you do that I am sure you will eventually find the truth. That is if you are open to the truth. I wish you all the best.

I am both honest and open minded. I honestly don't know what the origin of the universe is (if there is one) and I am open minded about what the answer might be, even if I will go to my grave being open minded and not knowing.

Originally posted by FMF
The thread is called "Atheist Delusion" and was started by josephw. Do you agree with his belief ~ that people who do not believe that the order in the universe points to some form of architect or designer ~ are mentally disturbed, deluded, and dishonest?

I do believe people can be blinded by sin, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they are mentally disturbed.

Romans 1:25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I do believe people can be blinded by sin, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they are mentally disturbed.

So you believe josephw is mistaken?

Originally posted by KellyJay
So let me ask you, do you have an explanation where everything came from?

I have spoken a number of times of an eternal universe. Can you explain why this is any more unlikely than an eternal creator? (If God himself is uncreated, why couldn't the same be true for the universe?)

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
No I am not open to an idea that does not sound plausible to me. Why should I be? 🙄

Then why would you ask FMF if he was open to an idea that is obviously implausible to him?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I have yet to hear a plausible explanation for the order of the universe that does not include God. If you have one feel free to share it.

In any argument - the lack of a explanation which is plausible to you is not a green-light to declare as truth, an explanation which is equally implausible to someone else

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I am talking about a real space ship, not a hypothetical one. And I am talking about an actual cell in your body, not a hypothetical one. 🙂

Are you suggesting that FMF is likely to "find a fully functional spaceship" within his neighbourhood?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I do believe people can be blinded by sin, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they are mentally disturbed.

On the other hand...I wouldn't say you were blinded by sin but you very well may be mentally disturbed.

Originally posted by divegeester
Then why would you ask FMF if he was open to an idea that is obviously implausible to him?

Because he is! He calls it being 'open minded'.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Because he is! He calls it being 'open minded'.

I am open minded because I am willing to entertain even ideas that I find implausible. You are not, by your own admission.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Because he is! He calls it being 'open minded'.

So you are admitting that you are closed-minded and he is open-minded?

Originally posted by divegeester to Fetchmyjunk
So you are admitting that you are closed-minded and he is open-minded?

If you look at the top of page 24, he is defining open-mindedness in terms of "looking at everything honestly" which appears to mean looking at it his way. . He suggests that if one is "honest" one will "eventually find the truth" and this "the truth" thing of course is what he happens to believe. So, all in all, it would seem that Fetchmyjunk's notion of "open mindedness" is more or less synonymous with "honestly" believing the same things - a.k.a. "the truth" - as he does.

Originally posted by FMF
If you look at the top of page 24, he seems to be defining open-mindedness in terms of "looking at everything honestly" which appears to mean looking at it his way. . He suggests that if one is "honest" one will "eventually find the truth" and this "the truth" thing of course is what he believes. So, all in all, it would seem that Fetchmyjunk's notion of "open mindedness" is more or less synonymous with "honestly" believing the same things as him.

I also see him saying that he cannot be open (minded) to something that is implausible to him, i.e. which he does not believe. But - he expects you to be open-minded about things which are to you implausible. So hypocrisy to start with.