Atheist Delusion

Originally posted by FMF
Yes I know what makes more sense to you but I asked you this: [b]"Are you open to the idea that, if the universe has always existed without a cause, there would have been no need for a "God" to have caused it?" That's my question. It's not about what makes more sense to you, the question I asked you is about what you are open to, like your question to me, which I answered.[/b]

If the universe has always existed it would negate the need for God to cause it, yet it need not rule out the existence of God since God and the universe could hypothetically both be eternal. Obviously to me it is more plausible that God existed before the universe did since there is a lot of evidence to indicate that the universe does indeed have a beginning.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Stop contradicting yourself.

Stop desperately trying to read something into my posts that simply isn't there.

I am still waiting for that admission that you didn't read my post correctly several times over.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If the universe has always existed it would negate the need for God to cause it, yet it need not rule out the existence of God since God and the universe could hypothetically both be eternal. Obviously to me it is more plausible that God existed before the universe did since there is a lot of evidence to indicate that the universe does indeed have a beginning.

Is that a 'yes, I am open to the idea' or 'no, I am not open to the idea'? I am not asking you what is "more plausible" to you, just as that wasn't what you asked me. I am asking if you are open to what I put to you.

Originally posted by FMF
OK, I've answered your hypothetical. Here's one in return: What if leading scientists had the opinion that the universe did not have a beginning and that it wasn't created? Would that in any way affect your religious beliefs?

Their opinion would obviously not make sense to me since I have already indicated to you what does make sense to me.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Stop desperately trying to read something into my posts that simply isn't there.

I am still waiting for that admission that you didn't read my post correctly several times over.

Maybe you should stop desperately trying to deny something you clearly said.

You clearly said to Joseph: "You don't have justification." You may try to blank it out but it is there for everyone to see.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
An eternal being that has no cause for its own existence but is the cause of the universe's existence.

I am open to this idea, I suppose, but I don't find it particularly plausible. It seems to be a speculation filling up a space caused by a lack of information.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Their opinion would obviously not make sense to you since I have already indicated to you what does make sense to me.

So you would reject the new scientific knowledge and it would not affect your previous beliefs, is that the long and short of it?

Originally posted by FMF
Is that a 'yes, I am open to the idea' or 'no, I am not open to the idea'? I am not asking you what is "more plausible" to you, just as that wasn't what you asked me. I am asking if you are open to what I put to you.

No I am not open to an idea that does not sound plausible to me. Why should I be? 🙄

Originally posted by FMF
I am open to this idea, I suppose, but I don't find it particularly plausible. It seems to be a speculation filling up a space caused by a lack of information.

The order in the universe points to some form of architect or designer.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
No I am not open to an idea that does not sound plausible to me. Why should I be? 🙄

So do you think you are less open minded about this topic than me?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The order in the universe points to some form of architect or designer.

Do you ~ like josephw does ~ believe that people who do not share this belief of yours are mentally disturbed, deluded, and dishonest?

Originally posted by FMF
So you would reject the new scientific knowledge and it would not affect your previous beliefs, is that the long and short of it?

What new knowledge are you referring to? I am aware that many scientist currently believe there is ample evidence pointing towards the universe having a beginning. The theories that are invented to explain this away just seem like a desperate attempt by atheists to justify their atheism.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What new knowledge are you referring to?

The new knowledge I mentioned in the hypothetical I posed.

Originally posted by FMF
So do you think you are less open minded about this topic than me?

I think you just don't want to make up your mind, if you want to call it being 'open minded' so be it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I think you just don't want to make up your mind, if you want to call it being 'open minded' so be it.

There is not enough information to "make up [my] mind". So I remain open minded.