Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI have no interest in entering a semantic discussion with you. Clearly, given the context of the discussion in process, we are talking about a specific definition of the word 'faith'. Equally clearly, given your question and your observed posting behaviour, you are attempting to widen the discussion to include alternative definitions. Please try to remain on topic or start another thread.
Take your pick, any belief you have that requires no faith. Give me your best shot.
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by KellyJayIf, say. the universe has always existed, then there never would have been a point when there was nothing, and there would be no need to have.an explanation as to where everything came from. Do you accept that these assertions are no more or less valid than josephw's assertions?
So let me ask you, do you have an explanation where everything came from?
Originally posted by twhiteheadStop contradicting yourself. You said to Joseph, "You don't have justification." This is a statement based on something you supposedly know, not something you don't know. 🙄
No, I admit no such thing. I have stated that I do not know, not that I cannot know. It is theoretically possible for me to know (if he told me for example).
And I note that you are yet to admit your mistakes and blatant dishonesty in earlier posts.
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by avalanchethecat😴
I have no interest in entering a semantic discussion with you. Clearly, given the context of the discussion in process, we are talking about a specific definition of the word 'faith'. Equally clearly, given your question and your observed posting behaviour, you are attempting to widen the discussion to include alternative definitions. Please try to remain on topic or start another thread.
22 Mar 17
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Originally posted by FMFIf hypothetically the universe has always existed without a cause, are you open to the possibility that God could have always existed without a cause?
If, say. the universe has always existed, then there never would have been a point when there was nothing, and there would be no need to have.an explanation as to where everything came from. Do you accept that these assertions are no more or less valid than josephw's assertions?
Also, if science were to indicate that the universe had a beginning, how would you explain it?
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkSure. Why not. Yes, I am open to that hypothetical. So, are you open to the idea that, if the universe has always existed without a cause, there would have been no need for a "God" to have caused it?
If hypothetically the universe has always existed without a cause, are you open to the possibility that God could have always existed without a cause?
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by FMFTo me an uncaused first cause makes the most sense, and God obviously fills that gap.
Sure. Why not. Yes, I am open to that hypothetical. So, are you open to the idea that, if the universe has always existed without a cause, there would have been no need for a "God" to have caused it?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYes I know what makes more sense to you but I asked you this: "Are you open to the idea that, if the universe has always existed without a cause, there would have been no need for a "God" to have caused it?" That's my question. It's not about what makes more sense to you, the question I asked you is about what you are open to, like your question to me, which I answered.
To me an uncaused first cause makes the most sense, and God obviously fills that gap.
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkOK, I've answered your hypothetical. Here's one in return: What if leading scientists had the opinion that the universe did not have a beginning and that it wasn't created? Would that in any way affect your religious beliefs?
What if leading scientists had the opinion that the universe had a beginning? Would that in any way affect your view?