Atheist Delusion

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"Like you and josephw and everybody else, I haven't got the faintest idea."

Speak for yourself. I don't just have the 'faintest idea', I know, and I'm not pretending.

I guess it really gripes everyone's belly that I should say I know, especially by those that claim they don't know, and then insist on projecting their ignorance on someone else. ...[text shortened]... a creator, but offer no evidence to prove it isn't.

Well guess what? Somebody is delusional.[/b]

I know you'd like to think you know, but you don't.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
My question was to Joe, a question he has deliberately avoided answering. Happy to move on to a new topic when he has done so.

Joe's whole argument is based on the position that creation is evidence for the God he believes in, and yet has provided no 'exclusive link' for this claim. Or are you happy Kelly for me to conclude that the Hindu Gods of ...[text shortened]... ntly I am mentally deluded for not believing something that even Joe himself can't evidence. 🙄

As I said one topic at a time, you seem to want to leave the need for a creator to pivot into a new topic to pick a specific one. Since I doubt you really care about which creator gods, god, or God as you deny all of them all, I see your change of subject as a dodge of what the necessary requirements of a universe springing up from nothing is.

Originally posted by KellyJay
As I said one topic at a time, you seem to want to leave the need for a creator to pivot into a new topic to pick a specific one. Since I doubt you really care about which creator gods, god, or God as you deny all of them all, I see your change of subject as a dodge of what the necessary requirements of a universe springing up from nothing is.

And I see your jumping into a previously running conversation between Ghost of a Duke and josephw and insisting that they pause while you decide 'the topic' as somewhat disingenuous.

Originally posted by KellyJay
As I said one topic at a time, you seem to want to leave the need for a creator to pivot into a new topic to pick a specific one. Since I doubt you really care about which creator gods, god, or God as you deny all of them all, I see your change of subject as a dodge of what the necessary requirements of a universe springing up from nothing is.

I agree, one topic at a time. Problem is, my topic with Joe came first!!! (Perhaps you haven't been following the thread?)

Any dodge has Joe's name stamped firmly on it.

Edit: And I do not believe the universe sprang from nothing.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I agree, one topic at a time. Problem is, my topic with Joe came first!!! (Perhaps you haven't been following the thread?)

Any dodge has Joe's name stamped firmly on it.

Edit: And I do not believe the universe sprang from nothing.

Okay, my bad. I also was talking to both of you and I have been steadfast on the topic i have been in, but you are right my sticking my nose into your conversation was/is wrong.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, my bad. I also was talking to both of you and I have been steadfast on the topic i have been in, but you are right my sticking my nose into your conversation was/is wrong.

No harm done. 🙂

Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, my bad. I also was talking to both of you and I have been steadfast on the topic i have been in, but you are right my sticking my nose into your conversation was/is wrong.

On another note, just wondered if you ever went to my Soundcloud account? I am up to 56 tracks there now, only 15 minutes of upload time left for free🙂

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
I know you'd like to think you know, but you don't.

You think you know I don't, but I do.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind. Everything in existence was created, and I know the one that created everything. I am as certain as you are uncertain.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I agree, one topic at a time. Problem is, my topic with Joe came first!!! (Perhaps you haven't been following the thread?)

Any dodge has Joe's name stamped firmly on it.

Edit: And I do not believe the universe sprang from nothing.

What dodge?

"Edit: And I do not believe the universe sprang from nothing."

You're right. The universe didn't 'sprang' from nothing. It was created from nothing. God created something from nothing. God spoke and it appeared. Boggles the minds of the faithless and unbelieving.

Are you going to perceive that as an insult again and use it to dodge the assertion of my belief?

Originally posted by josephw
There's absolutely no doubt in my mind. Everything in existence was created, and I know the one that created everything. I am as certain as you are uncertain.

Nobody doubts that you are certain. But that is belief, not knowledge. Knowledge requires justification. You don't have justification.

Originally posted by josephw
God spoke and it appeared. Boggles the minds of the faithless and unbelieving.

It also contradicts the Bible, but whatever.

Are you going to perceive that as an insult again and use it to dodge the assertion of my belief?
What a stupid question to ask. You are well aware of why he felt you insulted him (you called atheists delusional and liars). And nobody has tried to dodge the assertion of your belief. We only point out that that is all it is, an assertion of belief. I is not, as you have falsely claimed multiple times, rational.

Originally posted by sonhouse
On another note, just wondered if you ever went to my Soundcloud account? I am up to 56 tracks there now, only 15 minutes of upload time left for free🙂

I will this weekend, I don't have near the time I used to. I will make time for that soon.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Nobody doubts that you are certain. But that is belief, not knowledge. Knowledge requires justification. You don't have justification.

The fact that you don't know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning doesn't mean that you have no justification to believe with a certain amount of certainty that it will.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Nobody doubts that you are certain. But that is belief, not knowledge. Knowledge requires justification. You don't have justification.

Well, that causes me to wonder how you justify atheism.

Seems one would need to define the terms to justify the belief that there is no God. That would be subjective justification. Objective observation of the universe would be a more justified means of determination.

The question of the origin of the universe is answered by its very existence. The knowledge of the existence of the universe is justification for determining that it exists because it was created.

To believe the universe exists without a cause is unjustified because such knowledge doesn't exist in human experience.

Originally posted by twhitehead
It also contradicts the Bible, but whatever.

[b]Are you going to perceive that as an insult again and use it to dodge the assertion of my belief?
What a stupid question to ask. You are well aware of why he felt you insulted him (you called atheists delusional and liars). And nobody has tried to dodge the assertion of your belief. We only point out ...[text shortened]... l it is, an assertion of belief. I is not, as you have falsely claimed multiple times, rational.[/b]

I did say atheists are delusional and lying to themselves. So what? I've been told worse and I'm not crying about it. It's just part of the program. Get over it.