Originally posted by @js357For a day to occur on Earth, the Sun is required.
The Sun is not required for a time duration of six rotations of the Earth to elapse.
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Originally posted by @tom-wolseyThat’s an excellent point and one I hadn’t thought of or heard before.
Let's apply some of that famous atheist logic and rationale to the Genesis account.
Could the 6 days be literally 6 24-hour time periods? 6 revolutions of Earth around the Sun?
The clock started on "day" 1.
Our Sun was created on "day" 4.
Ok, since now we know the 6 days couldn't possibly involve the time it takes for the Earth to revolve arou ...[text shortened]... arly the aforementioned "days" involved some other time period and the days in some other realm.
Originally posted by @romans1009Except I blew it with the revolution/orbit conflation. 😞
That’s an excellent point and one I hadn’t thought of or heard before.
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Originally posted by @js357Good catch; I missed that. But his broader point is still valid concerning the sun.
“Could the 6 days be literally 6 24-hour time periods? 6 revolutions of Earth around the Sun? ”
Wow. What you describe is six YEARS. Six days is the time span of six rotations on its axis. Unless of course in your cosmology the Earth doesn’t rotate. Edit: in which case it is the time span of six rotations of the ENTIRE universe around the Earth, excepting ...[text shortened]... ons of Jupiter and does your brain hurt yet?
It’s no wonder we have trouble with the subject.
Originally posted by @romans1009It was truly just a slip, I've argued the point many times. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm accused of thinking Earth's orbit is a day, but, I just typed it out wrong this time.
Good catch; I missed that. But his broader point is still valid concerning the sun.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetaFootd-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Originally posted by @eladarDay 4: And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Notice light existed prior to the sun.
Note the stars (other lights visible to us at night) were created on that day.
The existence of light (perhaps somewhere else in the universe, but not necessarily) started day 1, but our Sun, the Moon and the stars we can see (meaning, any light that could possibly shine on Earth) were created day 4.
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Originally posted by @tom-wolseyTime occurs where the Sun don’t shine.
For a day to occur on Earth, the Sun is required.
Originally posted by @romans1009How old? Six days?
The theory of evolution is not compatible with the Bible. I believe an “old earth” is.
Originally posted by @eladarNo, I do not.
Do you deny that Genesis is in the Bible? Do you deny the Creation account as recorded in Genesis?
The problem, as always, is in your interpretation.
You didn't answer my question. RJHinds was famous in this forum for continually insisting that the earth was created in six 24-hour days. Is this what you believe?
Originally posted by @romans1009Or even 750 million.
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
(2 Peter 3:8)
“For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”
(Psalm 90:4)
Genesis was written for ancient man, who, if he read that the earth was 4.5 billion years old would laugh and not believe anything else in the book, because "clearly, the book lies".
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyMore literalism.
For a day to occur on Earth, the Sun is required.
The Bible was written for ancient man, and for modern man. It was clearly expected that man would learn a few things along the way. Well, I guess maybe not.
Originally posted by @eladarNow, explain YOUR "interpretation".
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “da ...[text shortened]... t he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Originally posted by @suzianneIf your interpretation means what is actually written in the Bible is incorrect then your interpretation denies what the Bible says.
No, I do not.
The problem, as always, is in your interpretation.
You didn't answer my question. RJHinds was famous in this forum for continually insisting that the earth was created in six 24-hour days. Is this what you believe?