07 Jun 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIf you say that they are smarter, that is already a generalization.. Just saying.
People 'without religion' are (allegedly) smarter. You think such people are a 'group' that can be generalized about?!
If so, can I sell you a bridge?
If we can generalize them as beign smarter, then we can generalize other things about them, because surely if there is a single characteristic that they hold in common, there is a potential for other characteristics, correct?
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Why are they smarter?
If there is a trend in atheists edging out theists in IQ points, it is incredibly minimal. Indeed, it is at something like 104 or 105 versus 100.
Is this actually measuring a real trend of an innate intelligence, or is it measuring a bias of among the intelligent? And we are also talking about a sample where around 85%-90% of people will have IQs between 80 and 115.
In other words: of little intelligence to middling intelligence.
If one group of people is slightly faster than the other, yet both groups of people are, on average, have far lower scores than the truly intelligent... How would it be relevant for a discussion on what the real truth value of the situation is?
A terrific example of this would be the early 20th century Russia where the intelligentsia was overwhelmingly Communist; as was a significant amount of the intelligentsia in other parts of the world.
Ultimately, the average people who would have been far more happy to simply continue in Tsarism would have chosen a far superior path to the people who had a much worst answer.
This also reminds me of the idea that
There are only some mistakes that smart people make.
For instance, a person with an IQ of 100 (the normal IQ) will probably never have complex thoughts about the Trinity (in theology) or complex thoughts about whether the Iranian revolution was truly Islamist and not Westernized at all...
But lots of smart people will have heretical thoguhts on the trinity and wrong thoughts about the nature of the Iranian revolution .
Thus, there is a whole class of people that simply never contemplate the issue with any depth that will lower the IQ of the Orthodox believers that is measured simply because, as an IQ 80, they are tossing their position in with the party line.
For similar reasons... when it is reverse, and atheism is the norm, then you will have the IQ 84s tossing in their 84 with the standard atheist line, and you will probably see a slight bump to theists IQ in places like China or Vietnam.
(But this is slightly more complex because even within these societies there really isn't a pure atheism.)
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07 Jun 18
Originally posted by @wolfgang59I read it that way too but couldn’t be bothered to chase him about it.
Just re-read this.
Are you honestly saying that anyone can be cured of autism?
Can you honestly cite a single case?
It would surely make front page news the world over.
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Originally posted by @philokaliaWould you also apply your adopted ideas about race and genetic groups to this premise you are floating here?
This also reminds me of the idea that
There are only some mistakes that smart people make.
For instance, a person with an IQ of 100 (the normal IQ) will probably never have complex thoughts about the Trinity (in theology) or complex thoughts about whether the Iranian revolution was truly Islamist and not Westernized at all...
But l ...[text shortened]... is slightly more complex because even within these societies there really isn't a pure atheism.)
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Originally posted by @divegeesterTrying to find another avenue and justification to accuse him of racism?
Would you also apply your adopted ideas about race and genetic groups to this premise you are floating here?
Classic take-the-biscuit trolling by dive.
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaTake this and your previous post to the smartest friend you
This also reminds me of the idea that
There are only some mistakes that smart people make.
For instance, a person with an IQ of 100 (the normal IQ) will probably never have complex thoughts about the Trinity (in theology) or complex thoughts about whether the Iranian revolution was truly Islamist and not Westernized at all...
But l ...[text shortened]... is slightly more complex because even within these societies there really isn't a pure atheism.)
have and ask them to tidy it up and make it comprehensible.
13 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaThe real test would be in life results such as creative jobs proving increase in creativity of atheists.
If you say that they are smarter, that is already a generalization.. Just saying.
If we can generalize them as beign smarter, then we can generalize other things about them, because surely if there is a single characteristic that they hold in common, there is a potential for other characteristics, correct?
Next...
Why are they smarter?
If ...[text shortened]... inue in Tsarism would have chosen a far superior path to the people who had a much worst answer.
While I am for certain biased in favor of atheists it would seem to me such increases in IQ would not amount to much change in life ability to earn higher wages and such.
You look at avowed Christians and the works of people like Michelangelo, clearly religious, and you would have to conclude not many atheists would reach his level of genius.
Also now there are reports of a peaking of IQ results around the middle of century 20 showing now a consistent decline of a few points in the decades following the early result.
So one thing of note, any increase in IQ of atheists V religious people could just be a statistical fluke and redoing the same work in another 20 years could show the opposite.
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13 Jun 18
Originally posted by @sonhouseNo no sir. Atheists are definitely smarter.
The real test would be in life results such as creative jobs proving increase in creativity of atheists.
While I am for certain biased in favor of atheists it would seem to me such increases in IQ would not amount to much change in life ability to earn higher wages and such.
You look at avowed Christians and the works of people like Michelangelo, cl ...[text shortened]... st be a statistical fluke and redoing the same work in another 20 years could show the opposite.
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