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Atheists do better at IQ tests

Atheists do better at IQ tests

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MK 6:16 Herod was the source of the belief that John had been raised from the dead.
LK 9:7 Others were the source. Herod was perplexed by the belief.

MK 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist.
JN 3:22-24 Before the arrest of John the Baptist.

JN 1:1, 10:30 Jesus and God are one.
JN 14:28 God is greater than Jesus.

RO 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law.
RO 4:15 Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).

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2CO 12:16 Paul says that he does use trickery.
1TH 2:3 Paul says that he does not use trickery.

1TI 1:15 Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners.
1JN 3:8-10 He who commits sin is of the Devil. Children of God do not sin.

EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
JE 31:34 God does not remember sin when it has been forgiven.

EX 3:1 Jethro was the father-in-law of Moses.
NU 10:29, JG 4:11 (KJV) Hobab was the father-in-law of Moses.

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Originally posted by @romans1009
Do you realize actions of the church often contradict the Bible? And that the two are not the same?
And now you have a clue about why there are thousands of christian denominations. But you have the correct view.

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GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.

EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).


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Plus there is stuff from the scrolls that got cut out.

News for you. Go research.

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
RO 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law.
RO 4:15 Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).
Just glancing at some items... it looks like RO 4:15 compliments RO 2:12 -- where's the contradiction?

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Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Just glancing at some items... it looks like RO 4:15 compliments RO 2:12 -- where's the contradiction?
And the other 11?

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The others I glanced at I don't have answers for off-hand. They will require research. I only addressed the one that--on its face--seemed non-contradictory.

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The copy-paste accusations come easy. The answers are a different matter.

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Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The others I glanced at I don't have answers for off-hand. They will require research. I only addressed the one that--on its face--seemed non-contradictory.
The one you answered just acquired its own thread.

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'Religious people are less intelligent on average than atheists because faith is an instinct and clever people are better at rising above their instincts, researchers have claimed.

The theory — called the 'Intelligence-Mismatch Association Model' — was proposed by a pair of authors who set out to explain why numerous studies over past decades ha ...[text shortened]... /science/atheists-more-intelligent-than-religious-people-faith-instinct-cleverness-a7742766.html
"There are three kinds of lies -
A lie,
a damn lie,
and a statistic."

Anonymous - learned in my college Statistics class.

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If belief and faith required a higher intelligence, would it not be unfair? Of course it would. It is written... one must change and become like a child... meaning gentle and submissive. If one had to get a degree to learn how to have faith, that would be a problem. The meek, the submissive, the ones who aren't arrogant, self-centered professors.. they are welcomed into the family of God.

So it only makes sense that the average IQ would be skewed downward a little bit, considering the 2 opposing groups and who will--and won't--be welcomed and accepted.

But by no means does this suggest the smarter you are, the less likely you are to have faith. Many of the most brilliant minds in mankind's history were and are believers.

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Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
So it only makes sense that the average IQ would be skewed downward a little bit, considering the 2 opposing groups and who will--and won't--be welcomed and accepted.

But by no means does this suggest the smarter you are, the less likely you are to have faith.
That is exactly what it means.

Within a group of 1,000 smart people there will be less believers than a group of 1,000 stupid people.
You can justify it with your explanation but it doesn't change the fact.

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Originally posted by @romans1009
And it’s amazing how accurate the Bible is when it touches on science. Job is probably the oldest book in the Bible and its passages on space are spot-on. No way the writer would have had that information without divine inspiration/guidance.
And yet the Church insisted on a geocentric model for centuries even when they had Job!

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Early developments and discoveries doesn't equate to being more advanced than modern understanding.

Are the Wright brothers more advanced than NASA?
Depends.
Did the Wright bruhs lie?

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