30 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Even farther back than that. I'm talking 3500 years, which is about when the Torah was written, give or take a few hundred years.
I’ve always said the Bible is as relevant today as it was 2,000 years ago because human nature hasn’t changed. Only the technology has.
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Originally posted by @suzianneAnd it’s amazing how accurate the Bible is when it touches on science. Job is probably the oldest book in the Bible and its passages on space are spot-on. No way the writer would have had that information without divine inspiration/guidance.
Even farther back than that. I'm talking 3500 years, which is about when the Torah was written, give or take a few hundred years.
30 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009The church punished people for figuring out that our planet orbits our star. The bible is ignorant about science, and you sound mentally unstable.
And it’s amazing how accurate the Bible is when it touches on science. Job is probably the oldest book in the Bible and its passages on space are spot-on. No way the writer would have had that information without divine inspiration/guidance.
30 May 18
Originally posted by @wolfgang59Priests.
Can you show us that within any group believers do better on IQ tests than non-believers?
If not ... shut up.
Your turn.
30 May 18
Originally posted by @apathistNo, it absolutely did not.
The church punished people for figuring out that our planet orbits our star. The bible is ignorant about science, and you sound mentally unstable.
Distorting history to support a particular view--- regardless of conviction--- is beyond dangerous.
30 May 18
Originally posted by @suzianneThat sounds as though there is an assumption that there exists a cohesive understanding of the world--- and there is not--- and a complimentary appreciation and realization of our place in it--- which, also, there is not.
The topic here is knowledge, about the world and our place in it. Ancient man knew almost nothing about this, and yet, the Bible was written for him, and us.
We are more confused now than ever before.
And knowledge is far, far more than these two broad and diverse areas of consideration.
The knowledge covered in the Bible is elevated, not base nor primitive.
30 May 18
Originally posted by @freakykbhThis isn't a controversy. The church did what I accuse it of, and how could you speak on this subject when you are so clueless?
No, it absolutely did not. ...
30 May 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe sanitary regulations found in the codex seemed arbitrary and without merit--- at least, to those who heard them after the fact.
Ancient man was more advanced in sanitation?!
And then, well, science.
We 'discover' germs!
We 'realize' dead people can kill live people!
We 'figure out' maybe we should wash stuff, including our hands!
And that is barely the tip of the iceberg on the lowly sanitary practices.
The psychological fabric used for their society is transcendent.
The legal system, with its protection of the individual is the safeguard against tryanny.
Bankruptcy laws.
Commerce standards.
Dietary restrictions and regulations.
Proper tension between the state and the individual, due process.
And so on, and so forth.
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30 May 18
Originally posted by @freakykbhSorry, that doesn't wash.
The sanitary regulations found in the codex seemed arbitrary and without merit--- at least, to those who heard them after the fact.
And then, well, science.
We 'discover' germs!
We 'realize' dead people can kill live people!
We 'figure out' maybe we should wash stuff, including our hands!
And that is barely the tip of the iceberg on the lowly sani ...[text shortened]... .
Proper tension between the state and the individual, due process.
And so on, and so forth.
(Sanitation joke).
30 May 18
Originally posted by @apathistBecause I know history better than you, I suppose.
This isn't a controversy. The church did what I accuse it of, and how could you speak on this subject when you are so clueless?
If that makes me "clueless," so be it.
There is no controversy on the overall struggle between the Church and so-called science, but there is a tremendous amount of disinformation and outright error on the part of those who wish to characterize it (the struggle) as something other than what it was.
Oversimplified and exaggerated versions--- such as what you've posited--- are categorically wrong.
30 May 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWell, joke's on you, I guess!
Sorry, that doesn't wash.
(Sanitation joke).