C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity

@divegeester said
I can agree that we may both believe that Jesus was crucified but it is not a good tool for you to use because neither of us was there at the time and therefore it is just our opinions.

But now you are conflating “what matters to people” with an event. You shouldn’t do that because “what matters” to you is a matter (sic) of you opinion but is still truth for you. And ...[text shortened]... ort of calibration for all that matters to people is a misconception and a misrepresentation by you.

@dj2becker said
I never said making up your mind generates an absolute truth. Absolute truth exists whether we believe in it or not. If it were true that Jesus died on the cross no ones belief about the matter is going to change this truth. The same applies if it were true that Jesus did not die on the cross. The only thing we can do is examine the evidence but our belief does not change t ...[text shortened]... even though from your perspective it would be 'true' that you believe Jesus didn't die on the cross.

@dj2becker said
What you don't seem to get is that our opinions can either be aligned with the truth or not. The truth of whether Jesus died on the cross or not does not depend on our opinions.

@dj2becker said
The only thing we can do is examine the evidence but our belief does not change the reality of what happened.

@dj2becker said
What you don't seem to get is that our opinions can either be aligned with the truth or not. The truth of whether Jesus died on the cross or not does not depend on our opinions.

@fmf said
What's this with you posting using an account called mariekeXIV?

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@fmf said
Why were you using an account called mariekeXIV to post on this forum?

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@fmf said
If you believe your personal opinion that Jesus was crucified and died and that he rose from the dead ~ and later ascended to heaven in order to forgive sins and "save" mankind ~ is "true", good for you. How does you having that opinion affect people who don't believe it?

@fmf said
If you believe that yours and divegeester's opinions about Jesus are aligned with the truth, so what? Isn't that enough for you? You have your faith. You are certain it is aligned with the truth. You and divegeester share that opinion about Jesus. What is the outstanding issue?

@fmf said
As you said before, we need to examine the evidence and make up our own minds. You are perfectly entitled to claim that your opinion is true and corresponds to the reality of what happened.

@dj2becker said
If it is true it affects everyone whether they believe it or not. I'm sure as an ex-believer you would know why that is.

@dj2becker said
The issue is that if it is true, it affects everyone whether they believe in it or not. I understand why you would fail to see this.

@fmf said
You are free to speculate as much as you want about the "absolute truth" of supernatural matters. I have no reason to believe that anything YOU believe "affects everyone". You give me no credible reason to act upon any of the religious claims you make.

Your "If it is true it affects everyone whether they believe it or not" riff is a dud because it could be used to bolster ANY superstitious ideology or warning or prediction of any religion.

@dj2becker said
If it were true and you happened to believe it wasn't you would be believing an untruth.