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Originally posted by @chaney3
"Main message"? So what's this main message supergirl?

And I suppose that you just ignore or dismiss the parts of the Bible that flat out don't make sense?

Do you purposely misspell my name? You do it all the time.

Don't take it to heart, Chutney.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Well, as I said either the scriptures are real or they are not. I have been around Muslims,
and have several friends that are, and have been their whole lives. I have said this before
here, I shared an apartment once with another Christian, and a Muslim, and we had a
room below us that the Mormon church rented out for its people doing their time, and
t ...[text shortened]... d and witnessed, and listen to those that know both books
well have convinced me that it isn't.

I have read the Book of Mormon, BTW. It has all the historical credentials the Bible lacks:

God's own words in God's own language, not words of men who were inspired by God. An angel supervised the translation into modern English (well, intelligible, if stultified, English anyway). It is recent enough in time to have an empirically verifiable unbroken chain of custody back to the original revelation delivered to Joe Smith. There are even birth records of the elders who certified that they handled the actual golden tablets. And the 'proof' of it is: the angel took back the tablets and ascended into heaven.

Wow!

And yet, I can't but think: every prophet and every religion claims to know the Mind of God.

The Mormons I have known were pretty decent people. That doesn't mean their book is true. Same goes for the decent Christians I have known, and the decent Muslims, and the decent Buddhists and Hindus and Native Americans and atheists and agnostics. There are decent people everywhere, though some of them believe some pretty weird stuff. (BTW, my sister is or was a Pentecostalist -- speaking in tongues and all that -- and she's pretty decent, too.)

If the Biblical canon speaks to your issues, I accept that. Chaney3 is struggling with that, however, and I genuinely think he should stop trying to interpret the Scriptures for himself and get some competent theologically sound bishop to explain it to him. As Suzi's post indicated, even moderate Christians differ as to which books are canonical, let alone DIY fringe-Christians who think they can translate Aramaic, ancient Greek, and old Hebrew themselves and publish any new version they please on the Internet. That leads to an all-you-can-eat smorgasbord of pseudo-Godliness in which people without sound theological grounding easily go astray.

Originally posted by @moonbus
I have read the Book of Mormon, BTW. It has all the historical credentials the Bible lacks:

God's own words in God's own language, not words of men who were inspired by God. An angel supervised the translation into modern English (well, intelligible, if stultified, English anyway). It is recent enough in time to have an empirically verifiable unbroken c ...[text shortened]... asbord of pseudo-Godliness in which people without sound theological grounding easily go astray.

LOL, really the Book of Mormon has historical credentials the Bible lacks? As I pointed out
to you the Bible is 66 different books with around 40 different authors, the Book of
Mormon has one source. The Bible's 66 books were written in a time span of 1500 years
I believe, the Book of Mormon a single life time. The people of the OT and the NT are
around us today, living in the lands spoken of. If I'm not mistaken the great land marks
found in the Book of Mormon's historical reference have not been found though the areas
could have been mention.

So what about its historical credentials the Bible lacks, care to share them? I'd like to
validate these from you if you don't mind, least I'm in error.

An angel supervised the translation into modern English, well good, where is the text
they had that required translation? How cares about Joe Smith, it isn't about the man its
about the text, where is it? Where are the golden tablets? Your proof is that you have
nothing to show for it?

I have been to the Western Wall, the wailing wall remains of the great temple, built as
mentioned in scripture. Your proof is there isn't anything to prove because an angel took
it? I now question even your evidence in science if this is how your brain works.

Originally posted by @moonbus
I have read the Book of Mormon, BTW. It has all the historical credentials the Bible lacks:

God's own words in God's own language, not words of men who were inspired by God. An angel supervised the translation into modern English (well, intelligible, if stultified, English anyway). It is recent enough in time to have an empirically verifiable unbroken c ...[text shortened]... asbord of pseudo-Godliness in which people without sound theological grounding easily go astray.

You cannot judge God by people, the only thing you can do is compare people to people
and your likes and dislikes will come into play on who is good or bad, so everyone will
have their own flavor of good people.

With respect to Chaney3, he is his own person. If all this was/is us trying to find the right
way to live and make it up as we go you may have a point. I do believe God can take
anyone of us and turn us into something else. He needs God, as we all do, and that
includes all of us who think we have it together as well.

I know people who are Mormon that I like and care for deeply, as I know Muslims who I
like and care for, and I am Pentecostal with everything you've talked about in my life. I have
met those I like and dislike in those circles too, some I believe know the Lord, and some
not.

God is greater, and everything around us from the universe on down to how we treat each
other shows me that there is a purpose in life, beyond living and dying, we did not end up
here due to nothing and no one.

Originally posted by @moonbus
I have read the Book of Mormon, BTW. It has all the historical credentials the Bible lacks:

God's own words in God's own language, not words of men who were inspired by God. An angel supervised the translation into modern English (well, intelligible, if stultified, English anyway). It is recent enough in time to have an empirically verifiable unbroken c ...[text shortened]... asbord of pseudo-Godliness in which people without sound theological grounding easily go astray.

According to Mormon teachings in the early days if a black person became a believer, the black person would become white.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Don't take it to heart, Chutney.

Lol. I won't Ghoost.

Edit: besides, I think that's her cute way of flirting with me?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Lol. I won't Ghoost.

Edit: besides, I think that's her cute way of flirting with me?

Keep posting in the Clans forum.

I'm rooting for you.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Keep posting in the Clans forum.

I'm rooting for you.

I will, thank you. 🙂

There's some angry people in there, and I have taken it upon myself to school them.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I will, thank you. 🙂

There's some angry people in there, and I have taken it upon myself to school them.

You're the man to do it sir.

Divert all your energy into that forum.

😏

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
You're the man to do it sir.

Divert all your energy into that forum.

😏

Sir, there is plenty of me to go around. 🙂

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Look, as an atheist I don't believe in salvation or any of that religious malarkey. So no, for me, the existence or non-existence of Jesus is irrelevant.

Does that degrade the beauty and relevance of his core message?

The beauty of the core message of Jesus?

You mean like the core beauty of the core message of Mohammad?


Mhahahahahaha!!! I just crack myself up. 😵

Originally posted by @whodey
The beauty of the core message of Jesus?

You mean like the core beauty of the core message of Mohammad?


Mhahahahahaha!!! I just crack myself up. 😵

It is my contention sir that any Christian worth their salt should be 'over joyed' that even a non-believer recognises the beauty of the message attributed to Jesus.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
LOL, really the Book of Mormon has historical credentials the Bible lacks? ...
I have been to the Western Wall, the wailing wall remains of the great temple, built as
mentioned in scripture. Your proof is there isn't anything to prove because an angel took
it? I now question even your evidence in science if this is how your brain works.

I've been to New York. It's really there. Joe Smith was right about that, at any rate. I have no reason to doubt that the Wailing Wall is there, too.

Your proof of the resurrection is ... that the tomb was empty?? Get real. That's no more plausible than joe Smith's missing golden tablets.

The point is, decent people sometimes believe in really weird stuff, and the truth of what they believe is in no way certified by their decency.

Originally posted by @moonbus
I've been to New York. It's really there. Joe Smith was right about that, at any rate. I have no reason to doubt that the Wailing Wall is there, too.

Your proof of the resurrection is ... that the tomb was empty?? Get real. That's no more plausible than joe Smith's missing golden tablets.

The point is, decent people sometimes believe in really weird stuff, and the truth of what they believe is in no way certified by their decency.

Was joe right about black people who believe mormonism would turn white? Are black people black as a mark of a curse?

Originally posted by @moonbus
I've been to New York. It's really there. Joe Smith was right about that, at any rate. I have no reason to doubt that the Wailing Wall is there, too.

Your proof of the resurrection is ... that the tomb was empty?? Get real. That's no more plausible than joe Smith's missing golden tablets.

The point is, decent people sometimes believe in really weird stuff, and the truth of what they believe is in no way certified by their decency.

My proof of the resurrection was the witnesses around it, not some trust me it happen.
I agree decent people believe weird stuff not denying that.
I'm not doubting good ole Joe's story about New York, but those things he wrote about
with the help of angels.