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@sonship saidYou could chose to modify your attitude a little if you wish to attract less flack. This persona of “teacher” accompanied by an almost obsessive spammy dumps of prepared posts is not particularly inductive to healthy debate, even heated debate.
Argue further with you?
a waste of time.
It just ‘hair dryer’ stuff.
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I am a waste of your time. divegeester is a waste of your time. Ghost of a Duke is a waste of your time. Rajk999 is a waste of your time. Do you get hundreds of PMs from non-posting readers who assure you that YOU are not a waste of everyone's time?
I don't know how many people I have told "To further argue with you is a waste of time."
But after 8 to 12 years the identical same points of disagreement re-appear and re-appear and re-appear with the same person, that could be a waste of both people's time to argue further.
On several occasions realizing that repetitious monotony of debate with the same person is occurring, I have said something like "You're welcomed to have another opinion about it."
I don't think I notice you have a similar attitude when Divegeester boasts that he only barely skims or ignores my "hairdryer," "waffle," unqualified, plagiarized, cannot think for myself, etc. etc. etc., posts. First its that I shouldn't teach because I am not in a clerical class. But then if I refer to someone else more qualified I am a regurgitating blind follower.
This is a kind of "Damned if you do. Damned if you don't" criticism.
The repeated expressions leveled at me don't encourage me that he feels his time is wisely spent talking with me. And now I expect you will return with something like you agree with Divegeester and that is, of course a different case.
Another irony: Divegeester says Western expressions of Christianity he can't take. But when two men from the East are used by God to vitalize the church in the West (namely Watchman Nee and Witness Lee from the mainland of China) what does Divegeester do?
Well, he jumps on the bandwagon of too proud Western religiosity who don't believe a couple of Chinamen could teach them anything about the Gospel. And he joins them to say that one is dangerous cult leader.
The ironies seem never ending.
@sonship saidThe claim that these Chinese men revitalized the church is false, as are all your other claims. All these men have done is to preach the lie that there is no requirement to keep the commandments of Christ and only a profession of faith is required.
Another irony: Divegeester says Western expressions of Christianity he can't take. But when two men from the East are used by God to vitalize the church in the West (namely Watchman Nee and Witness Lee from the mainland of China) what doe
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All these men have done is to preach the lie that there is no requirement to keep the commandments of Christ and only a profession of faith is required.
Justification for eternal redemption is by and through faith.
It doesn't matter how many times I show you this does not mean disobey the commands of Christ.
This is what I mean by a waste of time to futilely have the same argument 48 to 65 times with the same person over the course of a few years.
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Rajk999, you will always be more tolerated on this Forum than I will be.
The world hears you because your philosophy is not of revelation but of the elements of the world.
There is something about your "presentation" of the New Testament which corresponds to the natural human thought of earning your way back to God for eternal salvation.
Paul said "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:2)
I think you have BEGUN in the flesh and are therefore filled with the thought of being perfected as a Christian also in the flesh.
@sonship saidYes -
@Rajk999
All these men have done is to preach the lie that there is no requirement to keep the commandments of Christ and only a profession of faith is required.
Justification for eternal redemption is by and through faith.
It doesn't matter how many times I show you this does not mean disobey the commands of Christ.
This is what I mean by a w ...[text shortened]... futilely have the same argument 48 to 65 times with the same person over the course of a few years.
Justification for eternal redemption is by and through faith.
Saved by grace and not by works.
Salvation is through Christ
Yes to all those things and you can continue to quote all these things and references to support it 1,000 times but it misses the point, which is that there is NO ETERNAL LIFE WITH THOSE THING ALONE>
None of these things mean that the believer who is born again, and who is baptised, and who is saved, and who has the Holy Spirit means that they will necessarily enter the Kingdom of God. These are all meaningless nothingness and DEAD without WORKS and RIGHTEOUSNESS,. They are stepping stones to a LIVING FAITH.
This is your mistake and why Jesus says you are a fool, a liar and the Devil, because you do not include in your teachings and preachings that one MUST KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
@sonship saidUtter nonsense. The truth is that it does not take any kind of brilliance neither biblical knowledge to see that your doctrine is a sham and contrary to the teachings of Christ.
Rajk999, you will always be more tolerated on this Forum than I will be.
The world hears you because your philosophy is not of revelation but of the elements of the world.
So fellow mouth worshippers will be drawn to what you say because it reinforces their false doctrine. Naturally good people who have a well developed conscience and understanding of right and wrong will gravitate to what Jesus said, which is the doctrine I repeat here.
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You will always be tolerated more here than I will be.
You will get a free pass from atheists, agnostics, "freethinkers", antitheists manifold times more than they will allow me to explain the Gospel.
King James Version (1 John 4:5)
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
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@sonship saidBut we never see 'sonship' here. All we see is a mouthpiece for Witness Lee and plagiarized dumping of text.
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You will always be tolerated more here than I will be.
You will get a free pass from atheists, agnostics, "freethinkers", antitheists manifold times more than they will allow me to explain the Gospel.
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But we never see 'sonship' here. All we see is a mouthpiece for Witness Lee and plagiarized dumping of text.
Show me an example of text dumped verbatim from Witness Lee WHERE I did not reference the publication being quoted.
Are you now going to slither back into the "needle in a haystack" excuse to not do so?
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@sonship saidYou have been challenged multiple times about not providing your source. Are you denying any memory of this? Seriously?!
@Ghost-of-a-DukeBut we never see 'sonship' here. All we see is a mouthpiece for Witness Lee and plagiarized dumping of text.
Show me an example of text dumped verbatim from Witness Lee WHERE I did not reference the publication being quoted.
Are you now going to slither back into the "needle in a haystack" excuse to not do so?
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@sonship saidYou are not Jesus, the voice of Jesus or the word of Jesus. And I’m saying this as a Christian!!!
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King James Version (1 John 4:5)
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
You get flack here for one or a combination of the flowing reasons:
- you lecture, constantly. It’s boring and turns people off
- you present yourself as teacher but you lack the spiritual and intellectual gravitas to pull it off, so it comes over as hubris
- your doctrines are not accepted by some other Christians, and are seen as ludicrous and morally abhorrent
- you revere man - your reference of Witness Lee is borderline idolatry. It turns people off
- you get nasty when cornered about the stuff you present here.
- you rarely debate, you just blog at people.
I’d say that was about it, others may agree or add or disagree
@sonship saidPerhaps we are all going to be burned alive, sonship?
@FMFI am a waste of your time. divegeester is a waste of your time. Ghost of a Duke is a waste of your time. Rajk999 is a waste of your time. Do you get hundreds of PMs from non-posting readers who assure you that YOU are not a waste of everyone's time?
I don't know how many people I have told "To further argue with you is a waste of time."
But afte ...[text shortened]... e-appear with the same person, that could be a waste of both people's time to argue further.
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And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)
Though you may like to twist my acceptance of this as ie. "And if anyone was found not agreeing with sonship he was burned alive".
But that's not what it says. You may add that effect as an appeal to emotions.
Ie. "Sonship wants those who disagree with him to be burned alive."
That is just your, I don't know, capacity for abstract thinking and higher cognitive ability maybe?
I believe the way to avoid going to the lake of fire is to be sure you receive the Lord Jesus as Savior that your name is written in the book of life. He is the life. He came that we might have life and have it abundantly.
Though I cannot imagine this matter I know eternal life is verses the second death. So I do not count this eternal punishment as a punishment of those who are "alive" whether being burned "alive" or anything else "alive".
This is a realm of mystery which we do not fully comprehend. And I think we should not be curious to go there to find out what it would be like. We should come to Christ and "eternal life" and be written in "the book of life".
At any rate, for the last time(?), the penalty is not about personally disagreeing with me.