Calling All Aliens

Originally posted by FMF
We have talked at length already - when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk - about the morality of lying.

We talked about lying yes. But you have not answered these exact questions.

Originally posted by sonship
Laughable?

Yes. Do you really think you landed a blow with the blood on my hands/holocaust denier. Satan/ hundreds getting tortured things? Laughable is more or less the right word.

Originally posted by sonship
The memory of "blood on your hands" and torture and so forth don't sound too cheery.

I find you - when you're in that mode - completely ludicrous. I find it amusing. You think I have been a regular here all these years because I am angry and bitter?

Originally posted by dj2becker
We talked about lying yes. But you have not answered these exact questions.

The questions were near enough the same as far as I am concerned.

Originally posted by sonship
Did you leave the faith because of grudges, unforgiveness, offenses that you could not get over ?

No not at all. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, I thought your whole riff about the problem you had with me using the word "supernatural" earlier was half baked.

You mean about nature with its laws having a beginning ?
Half baked ?

I don't think this is half baked. If nature had a beginning then super-natural had to be responsible for it.

If you're saying something about knowing Christ is half baked. For 20 centuries others of vastly different walks of life and circumstances have claimed the same.

Not that ad populum proves the case. But many biographies of people knowing Jesus should not be easily dismissed.

By the way, I have met many Muslims. I have yet to meet one who admits that he or she KNOWS Allah.

They tell me that they know HOW to pray.
They tell me that they know HOW to eat or HOW to fast.
They tell me they know WHEN to do this or that or HOW to give alms.

None of them tell me that they have met Allah.
So it is not the same though scores of Muslims exist too.

Originally posted by sonship
The memory of "blood on your hands" and torture and so forth don't sound too cheery.

Are you somehow ABOVE not having anything to do with someone else wanting not to come to Jesus Christ ?

Is that something that is impossible to because of your influence ?
I would not say it is something that could not happen because of mine.

If you turn out to ...[text shortened]... rong about your Atheism, are you totally above having ever effected the belief of someone else ?

You're flogging a dead horse here. I do not believe there is some kind of torturer god who is going to burn people in a furnace forever because they read my posts on a message board. If you think that you connected with some sort of rhetorical blow to my chin with all that stuff, or that thinking about you saying it to me creates a negative or bitter memory or some authentic spiritual food for thought, then you are kidding yourself, and you are seriously misreading me.

Originally posted by FMF
The questions were near enough the same as far as I am concerned.

Would you consider lying about answering a question that you haven't answered as morally sound according to your newly adopted beliefs?

Originally posted by sonship
You mean about nature with its laws having a beginning ?
Half baked ?

Yes. Half baked. The little riff you improvised about the word "supernatural" being a "quip" that somehow downplayed Jesus. It was weak. It was just a kind of device to launch into a homily that had little or nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Originally posted by FMF
No not at all. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Okay, Nothing but fond loving memories of all the former Christian brothers and sisters you once moved among.

Okay. I only ask because most of the people of faith I know who have been stumbled have something to do with an offense they could not forgive.

King James Bible
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; (Heb. 12:15) [/b]

Paul had some co-workers who turned away from the faith.
He admits that all those in Asia turned against his work.

He mentions others who loved the world too much to forsake the labor in ministry.
He mentions others who let their consciences become too defiled.

Of course none of these apply to your very unique past.
You must truly represent something new under the sun.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you consider lying about answering a question that you haven't answered as morally sound according to your newly adopted beliefs?

You tried this sort of 'conversation' stuff on me when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk. I am not interested. We discussed the morality of lying in great detail. I stand by what I said. I am not interested in going through it all again with "dj2becker".

Originally posted by sonship
Okay, Nothing but fond loving memories of all the former Christian brothers and sisters you once moved among.

I still do live among many of them. Not all of them of course, as I have lived in various places around the world.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes. Half baked. The little riff you improvised about the word "supernatural" being a "quip" that somehow downplayed Jesus. It was weak. It was just a kind of device to launch into a homily that had little or nothing to do with what we were talking about.

If nature had a beginning how could nature begin itself ?

If nature did not have a beginning ... who or what legislated that laws of nature and began it ?

Take the periodic table for an example. Do you think those relationships were eternal and never established ?

Yes or No will be a good concise "stronger" indication of your own thoughts on my "weak" ones.

Yes - the laws of nature like the periodic table of elements is uncreated and eternal.
No - those laws of nature like the periodic table somehow were once established.

Take an unambiguous committal position on the question if you're for stronger arguments.

Originally posted by FMF
You tried this sort of 'conversation' stuff on me when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk. I am not interested. We discussed the morality of lying in great detail. I stand by what I said. I am not interested in going through it all again with "dj2becker".

Ok lying aside, would you say you have less guilt now than you had when you were a Christian? Is there anything you used to feel guilty about because you believed God could see your actions that you no longer feel guilty about because you now believe the Christian God is a superstitious myth?

Originally posted by chaney3
What does that mean, you've met Him already?

Sonship?