Calling out ThinkOfOne

@philokalia said
And be really great if there was a lock feature. But then it would be like this place would be a ghost town.

I don't know what a "lock feature" is but if you ask around on the General Forum or perhaps at Debates - you can get an add-on or a script or whatever it's called - "gbaway" is its name I think - which allows you to block the posts of specific posters from appearing on your screen.

@secondson said
Your own.

But I am not lying.

@secondson said
You say there are Christians posting in this forum that believe in the "torturer god ideology". That's just you saying that without a shred of evidence to prove it.

It's in the content of what they post. The terminology is mine. The terminology describes the ideology they have based on what they believe their god figure does. This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years...

Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.

Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.

This is punishment and revenge for their lack of faith and belief in the Christian God/Jesus.

They have 'failed to believe' that they were forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection.

This lack of belief and failure are unforgivable.

In Hell/The Lake of Fire they are not destroyed and they are not allowed to die in order to escape the flames. They are conscious. They are tormented by the flames.

This torture is everlasting.

The still living Jesus and some angels look on - for eternity - as all these non-Christians suffer in the flames.

This punishment is for unforgiven sins and is perfect justice and the ultimate morality.

Lack of Christian belief makes a person a willing participant in the rebellion against God of a supernatural figure called Satan.

Everyone should fear God's wrath and choose to believe the Jesus story.

Christians who believe all these things, and who believe that their sins have been forgiven BECAUSE they believe all these things, go to Heaven.

God created billions and billions of human beings with the explicit foreknowledge that they would adhere to other religions and traditions and, as a consequence, be subjected to everlasting torture in this way.

But, because of 'free will', those billions of people who do go to Hell, they send themselves there knowingly and wilfully, even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology..

That is the torturer god ideology.

@philokalia said

Ultimately, the best thing to do is probably to ignore that which is useless and hopeless.

Well, then there's another option, one that suits my personality, and that is to take a more proactive and radical approach.

Divegeester should be along any moment to accuse me of something having to do with muscles, but that's because he's scared. 🐥 LOL

@fmf said
It's in the content of what they post. The terminology is mine. The terminology describes the ideology they have based on what they believe their god figure does. This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years...

Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.

Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.

This is punishment and revenge for t ...[text shortened]... turer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology..

That is the torturer god ideology.

And it all comes out of your mind, and not the Bible.

But you have nothing to worry about since you don't believe in the supernatural or any god-figures. You can go merrily along your way judging a non-existent God without the fear of the consequences of your words.

@secondson said
And it all comes out of your mind, and not the Bible.

All those things "came out of" the minds of numerous Christian posters here over the years. sonship believes all those things. divegeester and Suzianne don't.

@secondson said
But you have nothing to worry about since you don't believe in the supernatural or any god-figures. You can go merrily along your way judging a non-existent God without the fear of the consequences of your words.

I am interested in the moral incoherence of the ideology. People can believe in whatever supernatural phenomena and beings they want. It's true that those religious beliefs have no consequence for me. But this is the right forum to discuss ideology of this kind.

@fmf said
I don't know what a "lock feature" is but if you ask around on the General Forum or perhaps at Debates - you can get an add-on or a script or whatever it's called - "gbaway" is its name I think - which allows you to block the posts of specific posters from appearing on your screen.

Where's the fun in that? 🙈🙉🙊

@fmf said
People can believe in whatever supernatural phenomena and beings they want. It's true that those religious beliefs have no consequence for me. But this is the right forum to discuss ideology of this kind.

Granted.

@secondson said
And it all comes out of your mind, and not the Bible.

Here they are again, numbered this time. There are 14 elements. Which ones do you not believe? Which ones do you believe with modifications? Mention the numbers; save you some typing.

This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years... This is the torturer god ideology.

1: Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.

2: Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.

3: This is punishment and revenge for their lack of faith and belief in the Christian God/Jesus.

4: They have 'failed to believe' that they were forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection.

5: This lack of belief and failure are unforgivable.

6: In Hell/The Lake of Fire they are not destroyed and they are not allowed to die in order to escape the flames. They are conscious. They are tormented by the flames.

7: This torture is everlasting.

8: The still living Jesus and some angels look on - for eternity - as all these non-Christians suffer in the flames.

9: This punishment is for unforgiven sins and is perfect justice and the ultimate morality.

10: Lack of Christian belief makes a person a willing participant in the rebellion against God of a supernatural figure called Satan.

11: Everyone should fear God's wrath and choose to believe the Jesus story.

12: Christians who believe all these things, and who believe that their sins have been forgiven BECAUSE they believe all these things, go to Heaven.

13: God created billions and billions of human beings with the explicit foreknowledge that they would adhere to other religions and traditions and, as a consequence, be subjected to everlasting torture in this way.

14: But, because of 'free will', those billions of people who do go to Hell, they send themselves there knowingly and wilfully, even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology.

@fmf said
I am interested in the moral incoherence of the ideology.

You're interested in the moral incoherence of an ideology you keep promoting?

@secondson said
You're interested in the moral incoherence of an ideology you keep promoting?

I have long been interested in the moral incoherence of the ideology that people like sonship promote and extoll. Which of the 14 elements is NOT what you believe?

@secondson said
Try to get with the program FMF. It's your lie. You fabricated it. You accuse others of believing it. It's rubbish.

It's a collation of sonship's beliefs as he has described them to me at various times. I have not fabricated them.

@fmf said
Here they are again, numbered this time. There are 14 elements. Which ones do you not believe? Which ones do you believe with modifications? Mention the numbers; save you some typing.

This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years... This is the torturer god ideology.

1: Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.

2: Here, ...[text shortened]... , even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology.

Ok. Let's try to look at this coherently.

Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Did I write that? What does it say? It's clear. It's the truth.

You don't have to believe it, but you can't say it doesn't say what it says.

And if you say it promotes a "torturer god ideology", then that's merely your perception. It's a skewed perception that ignores the rest of scripture for the sake of an extremely narrow perspective. You can't see the forest from the trees.

@philokalia said
Ultimately, the best thing to do is probably to ignore that which is useless and hopeless.

It is literally "useless and hopeless" expressing your disapproval of my posting. Don't do it for my benefit. It's water off a duck's back to me.

If you do continue to NOT ignore it and continue to express your disapproval of my posting with MOST of your posts on this forum even though you think it is "useless and hopeless", be sure to be doing it for others' benefit or for your own entertainment.

Ignore it, or go on and on and on about it; it makes no difference to me.