Calling out ThinkOfOne

@fmf said
It's a collation of sonship's beliefs as he has described them to me at various times. I have not fabricated them.

@secondson said
Ok. Let's try to look at this coherently.

Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged ...[text shortened]... scripture for the sake of an extremely narrow perspective. You can't see the forest from the trees.

@secondson said
You've mischaracterized.

@fmf said
Here they are again, numbered this time. There are 14 elements. Which ones do you not believe? Which ones do you believe with modifications? Mention the numbers; save you some typing.

This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years... This is the torturer god ideology.

1: Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.

2: Here, ...[text shortened]... , even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology.

@fmf said
There are 14 elements. Which ones are not true?

@philokalia said
Very sloppy post, FMF, and definitely a bit scary that an adult who dedicates this much time to "Spirituality" forums apparently has zero appreciation for what the doctrine of Hell actually is.

@philokalia said
... Do you really think you definitively described the doctrine here, and did so accurately?

@philokalia said
You don't really even know what you are attacking and you don't even bother to try to make a good list describing what the doctrine is. And that is even disregarding the loaded language you shoehorned in at every opportunity.

14: But, because of 'free will', those billions of people who do go to Hell, they send themselves there knowingly and wilfully, even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology.

You say "LOL, no..."

Here's you a short while ago on the other thread:

@divegeester said 
To "torment" is to "torture"; the words are synonymous. To torment someone is to torture them. Your distinction between the words within the context of subjecting someone to eternal suffering, is meaningless and frankly dishonest.

"But who is responsible for them going to hell? They have free will."

@Philokalia
 It became very plain early on that this wasn't some real list that actually attempted to describe or account for the doctrine of hell. It was incredibly repetitive and doesn't accurately describe the doctrine. 

You don't really even know what you are attacking and you don't even bother to try to make a good list describing what the doctrine is. And that is even disregarding the loaded language you shoehorned in at every opportunity. 

Very sloppy post, FMF, and definitely a bit scary that an adult who dedicates this much time to "Spirituality" forums apparently has zero appreciation for what the doctrine of Hell actually is.

This is just deflection.

@philokalia said

(3) The punishment is not revenge.

(10) Lack of Christian belief is not something that aligns someone with Satan.

@fmf said
Use the numbers I provided. Which of the 14 elements of the ideology is sonship [and like-minded Christians] wrong to believe?

@secondson said
No. I will not use the "numbers" you provided.

@secondson said
I provided a simple passage which refutes your assertion about a "torturer god ideology". All your numbers and phraseology notwithstanding, how do you get from that passage that the God of the Bible is a torturer god?

@secondson said
Let's examine what the Bible says about this topic. Not what some posters may or may not be saying.