Spirituality
22 Nov 18
@philokalia saidYou seem to be happy to make assertions about what I have termed the torturer god ideology- as it is propagated by some Christians here - which are founded on your lack of knowledge about what ideologies have been propagated here stretching back a decade.
Dive talking about how I need to be around here more to ... be more familiar with the drama and banter that they constantly reference to derail people
19 Jan 19
@philokalia saidMaybe SecondSon will just come right out and state that he believes the Christian God "torments those who are damned in a burning fire that lasts for eternity" instead of all the banter and wriggling.
FMF suggesting that SecondSon is avoiding the topic because he does not want to use the gross terminology he endorses and suggesting that someone else is deflecting.
@philokalia saidBoth of which you have sidestepped.
What a sweet double header of posts:
19 Jan 19
@philokalia saidYou talk bollox Jacob. Your MO here is to try to appear intelligent and no doubt you are reasonably intelligent but unfortunately you don’t apply yourself to understanding what is being said in this forum and therefore you really have very little to say of any substance.
What a sweet double header of posts:
Dive talking about how I need to be around here more to ... be more familiar with the drama and banter that they constantly reference to derail people, and
FMF suggesting that SecondSon is avoiding the topic because he does not want to use the gross terminology he endorses and suggesting that someone else is deflecting.
You seem to be under the impression that reading a couple of philosophy books during your postgrad era and a subsequent cursory glance over the orthodoxy of Christianity has provided you with knowledge bank worthy of your imagined IQ.
19 Jan 19
@philokalia saidThis part of your post is a correct précis of what FMF said.
FMF suggesting that SecondSon is avoiding the topic because he does not want to use the gross terminology he endorses
And....
19 Jan 19
@sonship saidAt least you are not denying that you do agree with FMF’s 14 elements of the “Torturer God Ideology”.1: Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.
I do not believe that it makes no difference whether we receive Christ or reject Christ.
Some hold a belief that it doesn't matter.
~ 2: Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.
Some believe it doesn't matter if you reject God.
They think there is none.
An ...[text shortened]... igned will bring a strong sense of eternal closure, even though one may be punished in that closure.
@fmf saidYou are of the opinion that all 66 books were written by people who didn't share
I don't believe the writer [or team of writers] ~ whoever this "John" name might supposedly refer to [or to which group of people it might refer] ~ was told to write what was written. Jesus had been stone dead for decades. I have no reason to believe "angels told or showed him" anything. I am fully aware of what Christians believe about it. I don't believe it. That makes me a non-Christian. And I know full well what your torturer god ideology prescribes for me.
the experience of God and that even though they refer to one another, that they
were written over a period of 1500 years, by reportedly 40 different authors in
three different languages that those who wrote many of them were killed for their
beliefs along with all that took the time of copying text keeping the content the
same through time also were believing in lies too even to the point of costing
them their lives too?
19 Jan 19
@kellyjay saidYour Abrahamic religion is not true.
You are of the opinion that all 66 books were written by people who didn't share
the experience of God and that even though they refer to one another, that they
were written over a period of 1500 years, by reportedly 40 different authors in
three different languages that those who wrote many of them were killed for their
beliefs along with all that took the time of copyi ...[text shortened]... ame through time also were believing in lies too even to the point of costing
them their lives too?
It is manufactured history.
It is rubbish.
19 Jan 19
@caissad4 saidYou think people conspired over 1500 years, in three different languages, by who
Your Abrahamic religion is not true.
It is manufactured history.
It is rubbish.
knows how many people to put together the 66 different books of the Bible to
promote what? What is it you think they were attempting to manufacture?
19 Jan 19
@kellyjay saidVery easy to answer.
You think people conspired over 1500 years, in three different languages, by who
knows how many people to put together the 66 different books of the Bible to
promote what? What is it you think they were attempting to manufacture?
They were attempting to create a myth .
And they were very successful.
But it is still a lie and manufactured history.
19 Jan 19
@kellyjay saidI do not subscribe to the mythology that the ancient Hebrews wrote for themselves. I do not subscribe to the Jesus-centred religion that broke away from it. I don't think martyrdom is evidence of the veracity of claims of divine revelation.
You are of the opinion that all 66 books were written by people who didn't share
the experience of God and that even though they refer to one another, that they
were written over a period of 1500 years, by reportedly 40 different authors in
three different languages that those who wrote many of them were killed for their
beliefs along with all that took the time of copyi ...[text shortened]... ame through time also were believing in lies too even to the point of costing
them their lives too?
19 Jan 19
@fmf saidJust trying to make sure I understand your point, you are suggesting that the text of the ancient Hebrews wasn't written by them, their history was made up by someone else? You also think if I understand you that the early Christians were willing to turn their backs on their OT customs that they were raised with from the time they were born, would be willing to die for a lie? They proclaimed a truth in the middle of the most anti-new truth area, and it spread from that one point and you think this is a meaningless fact, it isn’t at all showing you the veracity of their faith? I get that someone may die for a lie thinking it’s the truth, but that would not be the case of the early church they knew first hand it wasn't some old doctrine they were always taught it was new in the face of great opposition.
I do not subscribe to the mythology that the ancient Hebrews wrote for themselves. I do not subscribe to the Jesus-centred religion that broke away from it. I don't think martyrdom is evidence of the veracity of claims of divine revelation.