28 Jun 08
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Originally posted by pritybettaYou have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38-39, NRSV)
Where do you get that Jesus didn't believe everything in the OT?
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneJoh 5:45-47
Jesus didn't believe everything in the Old Testament.
So what are you saying?
(45) Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
(46) For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
(47) But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by SmoothCowboySo what are you saying?
Joh 5:45-47
(45) Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
(46) For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
(47) But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by pritybettaYou are using an antiquated Bible, and consequently it is riddled with translation errors. The term
It doesn't exist in the Bible? Then how do you explain these verses?
should be translated as 'from above' in Jesus' mouth. This is the only way the dialogue with
Nicodemus makes any sense (otherwise Jesus is correcting him by saying exactly the same thing).
Nemesio
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by pritybettaThe most striking example is Jesus' complete prohibition on divorce except in the case of adultery
Where do you get that Jesus didn't believe everything in the OT?
(which is probably a later, softer redaction anyway).
Yet some so-called Christians of the evangelical slant get divorced and remarried all the time,
despite Jesus' explicit statements.
Thus, the Law of Moses -- part of Scripture given unequivocally by God -- was something that
Jesus did not believe in.
Nemesio
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by NemesioOr the author of the gospel, whoever he is, wanted us to believe that Jesus didn't believe in the OT.
The most striking example is Jesus' complete prohibition on divorce except in the case of adultery
(which is probably a later, softer redaction anyway).
Yet some so-called Christians of the evangelical slant get divorced and remarried all the time,
despite Jesus' explicit statements.
Thus, the Law of Moses -- part of Scripture given unequivocally by God -- was something that
Jesus did not believe in.
Nemesio
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwHe likes jazz. leave him the hell alone.
Tell us who and what you are. If you will.
Are you a Christian?
What is the message you wish us to know?
Tell us what it is you believe.
What do you want us to know?
Tell us what the truth is.
Tell us what we are to do.
And most importantly, tell us HOW to do it!
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by Rajk999This is not the sole purpose of a Christian. There are many Christians for whom personal salvation (in the sense of eternal redemption from the judgmemt of damnation) is not the sole purpose.
The whole purpose of the life of a Christian is to get salvation.
Christ was crystal clear about who gets salvation.
Read it in Matt 25.
And Matthew 25 is not an example of the sole purpose of a Christian. In fact the people saved in Matthew 25 didn't even know who Christ was. Matthew 25 is a very specific and even narrow example of a particular situation with those who are living at the time of Christ's second coming. It is not the general judgment of all the dead in the last judgment found in Revelation 20.
There is more than one judgment.
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by NemesioAnd you aren't using one at all.
You are using an antiquated Bible, and consequently it is riddled with translation errors. The term
should be translated as 'from above' in Jesus' mouth. This is the only way the dialogue with
Nicodemus makes any sense (otherwise Jesus is correcting him by saying exactly the same thing).
Nemesio
You're not the authority. As to the reliability of the 66 books contained in the Bible you are off the wall. If you think the Bible can't be trusted, then why should anyone believe you? Your assertion that the Bible is antiquated is so obtuse I won't even debate about it with you.
28 Jun 08
Originally posted by NemesioNon-sense.
The most striking example is Jesus' complete prohibition on divorce except in the case of adultery
(which is probably a later, softer redaction anyway).
Yet some so-called Christians of the evangelical slant get divorced and remarried all the time,
despite Jesus' explicit statements.
Thus, the Law of Moses -- part of Scripture given unequivocally by God -- was something that
Jesus did not believe in.
Nemesio
Why do you think God allowed Moses to include divorce in the law?