02 May 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadCan you predict whether it will rain in 2 weeks from now?
Have you studied any science? Can you predict whether it will rain in 2 weeks from now? Is the rain and other weather effect immune from scientific study?
I think you are quite confused about what science actually is. It doesn't necessarily come up with an exact formula for an exact answer to everything. In some cases, such as quantum mechanics, it is be ...[text shortened]... your affirmation, the correct stance is...?
The correct stance is to study it with science.[/b]
you can predict if it will rain tomorrow though. and we are getting better at it.
there is a difference though. the weather is a very complex system but consists solely of physical elements completely predictable. if we could gather all the variables, there is no reason why we shouldn't accurately compute the weather 2 weeks from now.
we do not know if someone actions could be predicted by mapping his neural connections. some of us believe in free will.
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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
Can you predict whether it will rain in 2 weeks from now?
you can predict if it will rain tomorrow though. and we are getting better at it. there is a difference though. the weather is a very complex system but consists solely of physical elements completely predictable. if we could gather all the variables, there is no reason why we shouldn't accurately compute the weather 2 weeks from now.
Science can too predict the future.
I predict that in exactly two weeks at 3:00 pm in the afternoon in Northern Virginia, we will have weather.
02 May 14
Originally posted by ZahlanziBut weather is so complex that we will never, ever be able to predict it up to 2 weeks ahead with complete accuracy.
Can you predict whether it will rain in 2 weeks from now?
you can predict if it will rain tomorrow though. and we are getting better at it.
there is a difference though. the weather is a very complex system but consists solely of physical elements completely predictable.
Only in theory, not in practice. Possibly not even in theory. I am not sure how much an effect quantum phenomena has on weather 2 weeks from now, but it could be significant.
we do not know if someone actions could be predicted by mapping his neural connections. some of us believe in free will.
But I bet you don't actually know what you mean by the phrase 'free will'.
In reality, someones actions are just as predictable as the weather, if not more predictable.
02 May 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadit is one thing for a system to have a ton of variables that would make it impractical to predict, and another thing to have a system that has random variables in it.
But weather is so complex that we will never, ever be able to predict it up to 2 weeks ahead with complete accuracy.
[b]there is a difference though. the weather is a very complex system but consists solely of physical elements completely predictable.
Only in theory, not in practice. Possibly not even in theory. I am not sure how much an effect qu ...[text shortened]... .
In reality, someones actions are just as predictable as the weather, if not more predictable.[/b]
you claim it is more likely to predict what someone is thinking than to predict the weather?
"In reality, someones actions are just as predictable as the weather, if not more predictable"
that's your opinion. i claim free will is not an illusion.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadAh, the king of non-commital fog who tells us all the things he didn't say.
Ahh, the king of strawmen. Nobody said science can't predict the future.
Time for a musical interlude from Africa, chill and enjoy -
Amazing Grace
A Soweto Choir.
(no it has little to do with this silly argument here)
03 May 14
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Originally posted by ZahlanziI agree. But if the brain is affected by the randomness of quantum mechanics, then it is more than likely the weather is too.
it is one thing for a system to have a ton of variables that would make it impractical to predict, and another thing to have a system that has random variables in it.
you claim it is more likely to predict what someone is thinking than to predict the weather?
Yes.
that's your opinion. i claim free will is not an illusion.
So for you, 'free will' is a claim that some of your thoughts are random? What do you believe is the source of this randomness? Quantum mechanics?
I must also point out that quantum mechanics can be studied through science, and so could random thoughts.
03 May 14
Originally posted by ZahlanziWeather is NOT completely predictable as was discovered in the sixties.(?)
the weather is a very complex system but consists solely of physical elements completely predictable. if we could gather all the variables, there is no reason why we shouldn't accurately compute the weather 2 weeks from now.
I recommend you read "Chaos: Making A New Science" by James Gleick
or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory