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Originally posted by sonhouse
Actually, in the US in some places there is a law called the 'Good Samaritan law' where if see a crime and do nothing, walk by without so much as a 911 call, you can be arrested yourself.

That law already exists in France.
You could be charged if it is discovered that you failed to assist someone
by contacting the proper authorities.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You are confusing morality with legality. While one may be morally obligated to stop a
child molester from continuing his efforts due the the exercise of the faculty of
conscience, there may be no legal obligation to do so, after all, if there are no laws
governing the matter there can be no legal obligation, can there?

I didn't confuse anything. I was specifically talking about the legal aspect. Note I used the word Humanist.. I could just as easily have said secular.. the point being the legal system is set up apart from religious, moral principles. Therefore, when you remove God from the equation you get things like I pointed out: where someone is not committing a crime by letting a child molester continue his work, as long as they live at a certain address... which is obviously preposterous.

I don't know why you took issue and called me confused. I knew exactly what I was saying and it seems apparent you misunderstood it, as did the one who posted before you. I guess it shows that I didn't communicate my thought very well. So I'm sorry for that.

Originally posted by sumydid
I didn't confuse anything. I was specifically talking about the legal aspect. Note I used the word Humanist.. I could just as easily have said secular.. the point being the legal system is set up apart from religious, moral principles. Therefore, when you remove God from the equation you get things like I pointed out: where someone is not committing a cr ou. I guess it shows that I didn't communicate my thought very well. So I'm sorry for that.

Maybe he is the one that is confused. 😏

I am hoping for a miracle that he will come to his senses after he gets his long needed rest.

Originally posted by googlefudge
AND?

Someone goes to an attorney for legal council to deal with our legal/courts system.
Because not everyone is knowledgeable enough about the law, or adept at debating/arguing, and
so we have attorneys to speak for us in court, to fight for our interests, as a defence against
state tyranny.


Someone goes to a priest to confess to have the s ...[text shortened]... exception to this.

Just like there should be no religious exemption for any other law.

"Someone goes to an attorney for legal council to deal with our legal/courts system.
Because not everyone is knowledgeable enough about the law, or adept at debating/arguing, and
so we have attorneys to speak for us in court, to fight for our interests, as a defense against
state tyranny."

this doesn't explain why you think priests should report the crimes their "clients" confess but lawyers shouldn't. so to people go to confession to feel a sort of relief for their transgression.

confession is not about the punishment you receive after. confession is about getting things off your chest. you tell it to someone who will not judge, who's only job is to listen. perhaps offer some advice. the priest is a psychologist of sorts, and the secrecy is in place for the same reasons that attorney-client and doctor-patient confidentiality exist.

"benefit to society"
the police catches the criminal. the priest offers religious comfort. that benefits the society too. if priests go around divulging what they hear in the confessional, the whole system goes under. you wouldn't have had that criminal in the confession anyway unless there was the promise of secrecy.


"Just like there should be no religious exemption for any other law"
however you are quite fine with other kinds of exemptions from laws. like how lawyers are exempt from the same thing you want priests to be obligated to do.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Our country and government was never meant to be an Islamic country, but a government by the people with laws according to Christian principles with no special favoritism given to any specific denomination or class of people. However, Liberals have changed that and even tried to eliminate Christianity from playing any part in our government decision making. It is left up to conservatives to fight against these socialist principles.

Liberals have changed that and even tried to eliminate Christianity from playing any part in our government decision making.

as any sane country should do.


but you fundy americans aren't quite sane, are you?

religion is between the individual and god. and each experiences god in a different manner. nobody has the right to impose his view of god on others and you trying to get god in politics does exactly that.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
Liberals have changed that and even tried to eliminate Christianity from playing any part in our government decision making.

as any sane country should do.


but you fundy americans aren't quite sane, are you?

religion is between the individual and god. and each experiences god in a different manner. nobody has the right to impose his view of god on others and you trying to get god in politics does exactly that.

Do you think most politicians tell the truth? They lie to get elected because there in no God in politics.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Sorry, that meant to be the Catholic Seal of Confessional, is that morally ok?

That is to say, if a perp goes to a catholic priest and confesses he abuses children, should that priest be legally obligated to turn the perp in?

Just heard a long talk on that on Radio Australia.

Radio Australia, I assume on ABC.
They are consistently head and shoulders above any other talk shows and deal with a lot of tough subjects.
In keeping with their journalistic integrity, I believe they have even investigated some of their own staff!!

And getting paid in peanuts, no doubt.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It depends entirely where you are, If you live in Texas you are duty bound to report it
but not in Virginia, if you live in the Republic of Ireland you must report it, but not in
the UK,

Britain has no law requiring schools or other institutions responsible for the care of
children to report allegations or incidents of child sex abuse. A he ...[text shortened]...
no legal obligation to report anything to anybody.

http://scepticalthoughts.blogspot.co.uk/

/yes it does depend on where you are. Often in the outback (in Australia) you get very isolated ,small communities, where everyone know ever one else. However , unless there is a real serious crime, the ladies and children will usually stay quiet about abuse.
And sexual abuse is a bit of a grey area - NOT TO ME , but to some who haven't been more than 300km,s from where they were born, prolly very much similar to where they were born, and open to all kinds of abuse and neglect .

Not that all outback folk are like that. But the environment is conducive to 'neglectful behaviour', (at best)

Originally posted by RJHinds
Do you think most politicians tell the truth? They lie to get elected because there in no God in politics.

there shouldn't be any god in politics. that is the normal state of things. however when heads of american science commissions go around saying that we shouldn't be trying to solve global warming because if god would want us destroyed, he could regardless what we do, god is clearly not separated from state. by that reasoning, we shouldn't be having firemen.

Originally posted by sumydid
I didn't confuse anything. I was specifically talking about the legal aspect. Note I used the word Humanist.. I could just as easily have said secular.. the point being the legal system is set up apart from religious, moral principles. Therefore, when you remove God from the equation you get things like I pointed out: where someone is not committing a cr ...[text shortened]... ontinue his work, as long as they live at a certain address... which is obviously preposterous.

Actually I find it far more likely that a secular system would follow moral principles and a religious system would focus more on enforcing and promoting the religion (sometimes in decidedly amoral ways). If you have evidence, or reasoning to the contrary then present it.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Actually I find it far more likely that a secular system would follow moral principles and a religious system would focus more on enforcing and promoting the religion (sometimes in decidedly amoral ways). If you have evidence, or reasoning to the contrary then present it.

i don't find any proof a secular system is in any way better than a religious one. they are both governed by people who can have their own interests in mind. just the absence of religion does nothing for morality, one needs to actively pursue good.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Radio Australia, I assume on ABC.
They are consistently head and shoulders above any other talk shows and deal with a lot of tough subjects.
In keeping with their journalistic integrity, I believe they have even investigated some of their own staff!!

And getting paid in peanuts, no doubt.

Yes it was the ABC, the overseas short wave broadcasts. They are powerful enough to be picked up on my little Tecsun 660 short wave radio, a really fine box for the price, going for less than 130 dollars online.

It really saddens me to see so much fundamentalist religious broadcasts from US stations. We have one of the antenna's about 50 miles to the west of us in Pennsylvania, medium power, about 5 Kilowatts.

It really sucks big time to only find programs on the short wave bands in english from other countries playing their folk music and stories and such, real stories about real people and some great music, heard some really nice vocal music from Romania, for instance.

But America, supposed land of the free? Nothing of the sort, you will learn absolutely nothing about America from those asssholes. All you will hear is the Lord this the Lord that, forgive you sins, blah blah blah, not just from one station but at least 5 that I can pick up every day.

The US is a very large country 5000 kilometers wide and there is an incredible diversity of music, stories and such but do we get to hear them on US short wave? No. Just Jesus this, Jesus that, bible quote this, bible quote that.

Really REALLY sad.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Yes it was the ABC, the overseas short wave broadcasts. They are powerful enough to be picked up on my little Tecsun 660 short wave radio, a really fine box for the price, going for less than 130 dollars online.

It really saddens me to see so much fundamentalist religious broadcasts from US stations. We have one of the antenna's about 50 miles to the we ...[text shortened]... ave? No. Just Jesus this, Jesus that, bible quote this, bible quote that.

Really REALLY sad.

Have you listened to the prophet of God on the shortwave radio?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Have you listened to the prophet of God on the shortwave radio?

Like I said, sad sad sad

Originally posted by sonhouse
Like I said, sad sad sad

Those broadcasts are just as bad in their own way as anything that used to come out of the Soviet Union or Cuba from 40 years ago.

What do you think the rest of the world thinks when that is the ONLY thing you can pick up on the short wave bands.

I can tell you, short wave radio is very popular around the world so when we never put out our real culture but only transmit those religious right wing nutters, what do you think the rest of the world must think of the USA.

Especially when there is no counter balancing real cultural broadcasts like our folk music or country music.

Guess what country you have to listen to to get US country music?

Australia.

Is that sad or what?

Where do you go to find American classical music? Don't even bother looking on the short wave bands.

Classical music, even American classical music like Aaron Copeland, forget it.

Or American folk music. Like Judy Collins, Joan Baez, PP&M, Limelighters, The Weavers, Doc Watson, Bob Dylan, Bill Steele, John McCutcheon, Mary McCaslin,
Debby McClatchy, Jean Ritchie, Don Peti and the like?

You sure as hell won't find ANY of those people being broadcasted by ANYONE in the USA on the short wave bands.

For instance, XM/Sirius radio. There was a folk channel. One channel devoted to folk music. Great, I listened to it all the time, Mary Sue Twoey and a few others like Rod McCuen hosted some of the shows.

There are at least 2 dozen channels on XM devoted to stupid sports broadcasts.

But in their infinite (NOT) wisdom, XM canned the folk channel, now we get the
"Coffeehouse", singer songwriters only. Which is not folk music by any stretch of the imagination. The other genre's have at least a dozen channels, the 50's, 60's and so forth, an ELVIS channel for god's sake!

But real culture? Forgeddabodit..