Chance or by Design ?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its not irrelevant, materialism has profoundly influenced morality after all, if there is
no God, there is no accountability and what is more it may even be used as a precept
for amoral behaviour, Huxley even stated that it was precisely the embracing of the
materialistic philosophy which fuelled the justification for an a-moral sexual practice.

Its a hypothetical question, lets stick to empiric evidence, shall we! 🙂

if there is no God, there is no accountability

what are you talking about? Of course there is accountability without a “God”!
There is accountability to the legal law system as well, of course, and more importantly, accountability to ones own conscience. Do you deny that either of these things exist?

a-moral sexual practice.

LOL. Now you have totally lost it.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2011/05/18/atheists-do-it-better/
“...A new study shows that religious people have as much sex as atheists, but with less sexual satisfaction and more guilt. ….
Do atheists have better sex? Yes. According to science, that is — and more specifically, according to the recently released “Sex and Secularism” study …
….Believers and atheists are having pretty much the same KINDS of sex. but when it comes to the pleasure and satisfaction experienced during this sex, it’s like night and day. ….” (my emphasis)

so we atheists do sex better than you theists who just struggle to get it up but we generally have the same kind of six and the same amount as theists so, if there is something we are doing wrong morally with our sex which you theists are not, it must be just that we enjoy it more and do it better.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it is what i said, perhaps you misunderstood my intent, i am contending that your
adoption of a materialistic philosophy, in this instance, the evolutionary hypothesis,
leads to different behaviour. Clearly therefore your adoption of the hypothesis will lead
to different behaviour than from one who has not adopted it, are you denying that this
is the case.

An example please, with empirical scintific data. We don't want unsubstianated opinion here. 🙂

Originally posted by Proper Knob
An example please.

sure, you are an atheist, you may be influenced by materialism that war is justifiable
under certain circumstances, i am a theist, its impossible for me because of my beliefs
to go to war, your behaviour will be different from mine.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I stated that his adoption of the evolutionary hypothesis will lead to the adoption of a
morality which will naturally lad to different behaviour under certain circumstances,
have you evidence to the contrary or dont you?

I am asking if you about the contention you made about "evolution" being the "very basis" of Proper Knob's "belief system". I am interested if you will confirm it or restate that assertion because you seem to be trying to distance yourself from it. That's all.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so?

so what you said is false.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sure, you are an atheist, you may be influenced by materialism that war is justifiable
under certain circumstances, i am a theist, its impossible for me because of my beliefs
to go to war, your behaviour will be different from mine.

Where does evolution fit into that scenario?

Originally posted by humy

if there is no God, there is no accountability

what are you talking about? Of course there is accountability without a “God”!
There is accountability to the legal law system as well, of course, and more importantly, accountability to ones own conscience. Do you deny that either of these things exist?
[quote] a-moral sexual practice. [/quot ...[text shortened]... with our sex which you theists are not, it must be just that we enjoy it more and do it better.

"I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed
that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this
assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned
exclusively with a problem in metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is
no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends
should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantegous
to themselves... For myself, the philosophy of meaningless was essentially an
instrument of liberation, sexual and political." -- Aldous Huxley in Ends and Means, 1937

suck it up ans stop whining, we are influenced by our beliefs, our morality, our
behaviour, everything and as Huxely points out, he wanted life to be meaningless
because it interfered with his personal freedoms.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Where does evolution fit into that scenario?

its a part of the materialistic world view, is it not?

Originally posted by FMF
I am asking if you about the contention you made about "evolution" being the "very basis" of Proper Knob's "belief system". I am interested if you will confirm it or restate that assertion because you seem to be trying to distance yourself from it. That's all.

I have said what i said, it forms part of his materialistic world view, are you stating that
it doesn't? Really, on what basis?

Originally posted by humy
so what you said is false.

My good man, I am never wrong! Like Sheldon Cooper in the Big bang theory is never
wrong!😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its a part of the materialistic world view, is it not?

And?

There no no doubt theists who don't accept evolutionary theory who go to war, ie the Bush administration in Iraq. There are theists who accept evolutionary theory ie. Tony Blair in Iraq , who do go to war.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have said what i said, it forms part of his materialistic world view, are you stating that
it doesn't? Really, on what basis?

It now "forms part" or is, as you said before, the "very basis"? I'm just trying to establish what it is you have said when you say "I have said what i said" and whether that means you have changed you assertion/question?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have said what i said, it forms part of his materialistic world view, are you stating that
it doesn't? Really, on what basis?

As FMF has pointed out above, you have moved the goalposts. This is what you said -

does it not form the very basis of your belief system and influences your morality?

and in response to humy earlier -

how it forms the entire basis of your belief system

Originally posted by Proper Knob
And?

There no no doubt theists who don't accept evolutionary theory who go to war, ie the Bush administration in Iraq. There are theists who accept evolutionary theory ie. Tony Blair in Iraq , who do go to war.

so your beliefs about the universe influence your behaviour, thank you, and one of
those beliefs is the theory of evolution, thank you!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
As FMF has pointed out above, you have moved the goalposts. This is what you said -

does it not form the very basis of your belief system and influences your morality?

and in response to humy earlier -

how it forms the entire basis of your belief system

FMF is a Buffet King that sees what he wants to see.