Christ - the Place of Redemption

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

What's mud is you claiming Jesus has made suicide obsolete when every day theists and non-theists alike take their own lives for a multitude of reasons.

Get it yet?

This answer only means that such people NEED to know what I had to say. It is unnecessary. We can terminate the troublesome man through allowing Christ's death to oper ...[text shortened]... pair of suicide not as effective as what He can do. Many Christians will tell you that that is so.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

The weakness in logic is yours.

Even given that suicides among believers in Christ is too high, as also divorces, as also other social ailments, it doesn't make Christ not true. What is typical is not what is normal. There are those who overcome. And that is what ought to be.

And I don't care if you next produce statistics that every single Christian has or will commit suicide. Every day some fool decides he's going to be an atheist. It doesn't effect God being God.

If what I said is not true then there will be no climax of what is in the last two chapters of the Bible. It will only take place when old things have been dealt with inside and outside (especially freeing from the old man).

The act of circumcision in the Old Testament was the symbol of the old fallen man being excluded through God's salvation.

In comparison to Christ's salvation you have the quicksand.
Christ is the solid rock upon which a man can stand.

Don't bother me with your logic of "There's lots of bad news so there is no Good News."

Let God be true and every man a liar.

If a person opens his heart and confesses for the first time - "Lord Jesus. I want You Lord Jesus. Cleanse me right now of all my sins, be Lord of my life."

Something wonderful will begin to happen within him. But something also within them will seem to die.

Something of joy will rise up within them they never felt before. But on the other hand something within them will seem to die.

As we go deeper into allowing the Lord's Spirit to spread and feel all of our heart and transform our minds, the same thing occurs.

Paul pioneered in this experience to help many of us to follow through to die and rise with Christ in this life.

This pioneer wrote

"I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;

and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.

I do not nullify the grace of God ..." (Galatian 2:20)

@sonship said
Identification in the Holy Spirit WITH Christ is the New Testaments answer to asceticism or even suicide.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Think through your flippant logic.

Every day a Christian somewhere in the world takes their own life. 'You' arrogantly judge their actions and also the strength of their individual faith, completely oblivious to their reasons.

Still you wallow in the mud.

@divegeester

My mother was a Christian who committed suicide; how does your ideology account for that?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Like I said, you don't just step in mud, you wallow in it.

@sonship said
@divegeester
I am saddened by your personal tragedy. But if tradedies had caused me to change my belief in what the New Testament teaches, I would have had reason to change long ago.
He holds me. It is not even a matter of the strength of my own resolve. He holds me.

@Indonesia-Phil

--Laughter--,
--Applause--

Another cheapo comedian - a dime a dozen.

@divegeester

Four times you have avoided answering my question and this last one won’t deter me sonship.

Christ a PLACE of Redemption, I wrote. Paul spoke of Him as the propitiation cover on the ark, the place where God would meet with the high priest once a year.

Now a man may meet with God in the Holy of Holies in his innermost human spirit. There we can come forward to the throne of grace and receive timely help.

"He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" (1 Cor. 6:17)

Meaning part of us actually becomes God.
Part of us has Jesus Christ infused and blended into our being.

There in that realm all that He has done, including His dying, is applicable. We can even "put to death the practices of the [fallen] body".

So then brothers, we are debtors not to the flesh to live according to the flesh. Fir if you live according to flesh, you are about to die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the practices of the body, you will live. (Rom. 8:,12,13)

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

The weakness in logic is yours.

Even given that suicides among believers in Christ is too high, as also divorces, as also other social ailments, it doesn't make Christ not true. What is typical is not what is normal. There are those who overcome. And that is what ought to be.

And I don't care if you next produce statistics that every single Christi ...[text shortened]... of "There's lots of bad news so there is no Good News."

Let God be true and every man a liar.

@kellyjay said
You think being a Christian means that the world, the desires of the flesh, or the devil would stop affecting us? Our hope is in Christ, and as we become of aware of what is wrong with the world and us, that can affect people a number of ways. It should drive us towards Christ, or it highlights our undeserving nature and if we are not drawn to Christ those negative things af ...[text shortened]... one ever in Christ who loves us, and we have family and friends we shouldn't cut ourselves off from.

@sonship said
@Indonesia-Phil

--Laughter--,
--Applause--

Another cheapo comedian - a dime a dozen.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Phil is worth 12 of you sonship, and then some.

His contributions to the forums are both credible and original while your own (more often than not) cringe-worthy and plagiarized.