Christian Tolerance

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The argument runs like this -

Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.” Proverbs 28:7 declares, “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.” Proverbs 23:2 proclai ...[text shortened]... ther than allowing them to control us.

https://www.gotquestions.org/gluttony-sin.html

80% of middle aged persons in the UK are overweight, are they all guilty of gluttony?

Originally posted by FMF
And yet not one of the "acts of molestation" were reported to the authorities over a period of 50 years. Not even one. You say "it was not the policy at the time to inform authorities" which means that it was the policy of the JW organization to keep the authorities in the dark about crimes that had been committed.

This is not true and simply a lie. Families were counselled to report the matter to authorities and many did, your statement that not a single one was reported to authorities is simply another lie. You were asked for evidence of a deliberate cover up and have produced nothing. If the authorities had asked for any information they would have readily been given it, how you can construe this as a deliberate policy to conceal anything only your ill informed and twisted mind knows.

When the Royal commission approached the brothers, the brothers gave them all the information they had, refuting your ignorant claim. You have NO evidence that anything was concealed from anyone and the fact that many families did go to authorities at the bequest of the brothers proves this.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
80% of middle aged persons in the UK are overweight, are they all guilty of gluttony?

I'm talking about obesity. Keep up.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You were asked for evidence of a deliberate cover up and have produced nothing. If the authorities had asked for any information they would have readily been given it, how you can construe this as a deliberate policy to conceal anything only your ill informed and twisted mind knows.

It would appear that you are now claiming that the JW organization reporting exactly zero cases of child sex abuse perpetrated by its leaders or members of its congregations to authorities in Australia in five decades was somehow not something deliberate and that such concealment was not a deliberate policy. Surely this is not the stance you are taking, is it? That it wasn't deliberate and that it was, instead, accidental or unintended?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Families were counselled to report the matter to authorities and many did, your statement that not a single one was reported to authorities is simply another lie.

Most cases of child sex abuse are perpetrated by close family members, other family relatives or by people known to the children or the children's families. How many cases where the child sex abuse was allegedly committed by family members did the JW organization report to the authorities during the fifty years in question?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
When the Royal commission approached the brothers, the brothers gave them all the information they had, refuting your ignorant claim. You have NO evidence that anything was concealed from anyone and the fact that many families did go to authorities at the bequest of the brothers proves this.

You mean the "brothers" handed over information that had been concealed from the authorities by the JW organization for, in some cases, as long as 50 years?

Originally posted by FMF
It would appear that you are now claiming that the JW organization reporting exactly zero cases of child sex abuse perpetrated by its leaders or members of its congregations to authorities in Australia in five decades was somehow not something deliberate and that such concealment was not a deliberate policy. Surely this is not the stance you are taking, is it? That it wasn't deliberate and that it was, instead, accidental or unintended?

There was no deliberate policy to conceal anything, you simply made it up. You have been asked for proof of this deliberate policy of concealment and have so far provided nothing except to attempt to claim that because the brothers themselves did not report these matters and instead counselled parents to report matters to the authorities this constitutes an act of deliberate concealment and at a glance we can discern just how ludicrous your silly claim is. This is further compounded by the fact that when the Royal commission approached the brothers they gave them all the information they had, another act of deliberate concealment if we are to believe you. Man you seem to be in somewhat of a pickle.

Originally posted by FMF
You mean the "brothers" handed over information that had been concealed from the authorities by the JW organization for, in some cases, as long as 50 years?

There was no deliberate concealment of anything, you simply made it up. Now when the Royal commission came and asked the brothers for information if they had started shredding masses of data them perhaps you might have a case, but they handed over everything they knew and your silly claim of deliberate concealment is shown up for what it is, an uncorroborated piece of fantasy. Where is your evidence that a single iota was deliberately concealed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
There was no deliberate policy to conceal anything, you simply made it up.

Fifty years. Hundreds and hundreds of cases of child sex abuse known to the JW organization. Number of cases reported? Zero.

Originally posted by FMF
You mean the "brothers" handed over information that had been concealed from the authorities by the JW organization for, in some cases, as long as 50 years?

Here's an interesting Watchtower memo from 1997 to 'all bodies of Elders' directing what to do with regards to child sex abusers within JW congregations.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1659656-jehovahs-memo-4.html

Originally posted by FMF
You mean the "brothers" handed over information that had been concealed from the authorities by the JW organization for, in some cases, as long as 50 years?

Oh dear a rather tawdry attempt at misrepresentation, how predictable and how so thoroughly ineffective.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Here's an interesting Watchtower memo from 1997 to 'all bodies of Elders' directing what to do with regards to child sex abusers within JW congregations.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1659656-jehovahs-memo-4.html

1997 is some time ago and as a greater understanding of these things as increased policies have clanged and there are new directives in place. You have of course read the links that I cited with these new directives, have you not?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Now when the Royal commission came and asked the brothers for information if they had started shredding masses of data them perhaps you might have a case, but they handed over everything they knew...

But they didn't report any of these cases in the 1950s or in the 1960s or in the 1970s or in the 1980s or in the 1990s or in the 2000s. During these decades all this information remained concealed from the authorities.

Originally posted by FMF
But they didn't report any of these cases in the 1950s or in the 1960s or in the 1970s or in the 1980s or in the 1990s or in the 2000s. During these decades all this information remained concealed from the authorities.

They counselled families to report the matter to authorities and they did. Is this your evidence of a deliberate act of concealment from authorities? Go and tell the authorities and keep it secret? Where is your evidence of a deliberate policy of concealment. If authorities had asked for any information they could have been given it as did the Royal commission. Is this your evidence of a deliberate act of concealment that when an authority asks for information they receive it? Where is your evidence of a deliberate act of concealment?

Ouch looks like the empirical evidence has bust your lame Punch and Judy show again.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Where is your evidence of a deliberate act of concealment?

The hundreds and hundreds of cases of child sex abuse not reported to the authorities over a period of 50 years is the evidence of deliberate concealment. Those whose details were finally handed over to the Royal Commission had remained concealed and withheld from authorities for 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years.