Originally posted by EladarI took "the courts" into account.
Was he speaking to a individuals or the courts?
I'm sure you won't be able to see the difference.
Reread the following with the understanding that "those in government" includes those who comprise the courts. Why you would think it wouldn't include them is beyond me, but you are what you are.
What you see is this:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. [Except for those in government who should feel free to cast away. And for those who still condemn this woman to death, allow those in the government to serve as your proxy in casting your stone]."
Since you still seem to be struggling with what Jesus was teaching, Jesus was speaking against condemning people to death:
John 8
10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”
Note that Jesus did not say, "Go [to the courts and if they condemn you] and [you are put to death you will] sin no more".
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24 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarWhat do you say?
Was he speaking to a individuals or the courts?
I'm sure you won't be able to see the difference.
John 8New International Version (NIV)
8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
24 Dec 16
Originally posted by JS357Are you trying to say our courts should be based on Bible teachings? We should follow the Jewish example of a theology?
What do you say?
John 8New International Version (NIV)
8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said ...[text shortened]... e said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
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25 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarSo Jesus wasn't advocating against sinners throwing stones? After all, courts don't throw stones, people do.
Compare apples to apples. Death penalty for murder isn't quite the same as death penalty for adultery.
I do not support the death penalty for adultery.
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by JS357Like many others, Eladar conforms the Bible to his own preconceived beliefs. It really doesn't matter to them what it actually says or doesn't say.
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Not that he'll ever admit it. Instead he keeps dancing around the fact that he doesn't believe in what Jesus taught about condemning people to death here in John 8 or more generally in Luke 6.
Luke 6
36“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnePot
Like many others, Eladar conforms the Bible to his own preconceived beliefs. It really doesn't matter to them what it actually says or doesn't say.
Not that he'll ever admit it. Instead he keeps dancing around the fact that he doesn't believe in what Jesus taught about condemning people to death here in John 8 or more generally in Luke 6.
Luke 6
3 ...[text shortened]... be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
Originally posted by EladarOf course when Eladar can't defend his position, so he repeatedly resorts to vacuous canned responses like "pot", "If that's what you say", etc.
Pot
It's laughable, but it is what it is.
He extremely self-centered and his views reflect it - which is the antithesis of the works spoken by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneDefend a position created by a heretic?
Of course when Eladar can't defend his position, so he repeatedly resorts to vacuous canned responses like "pot", "If that's what you say", etc.
It's laughable, but it is what it is.
He extremely self-centered and his views reflect it - which is the antithesis of the works spoken by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
Why try to discuss with the those who are dying? I'll just point out your hypocrisy and leave it at that.
Originally posted by EladarI guess I should have explicitly added calling people "heretics" to the list of vacuous canned responses.
Defend a position created by a heretic?
Why try to discuss with the those who are dying? I'll just point out your hypocrisy and leave it at that.
Eladar cannot rationally defend his position so he continues to dance around the fact that he doesn't believe in what Jesus taught about condemning people to death here in John 8 or more generally in Luke 6.
More generally, Eladar dances around the fact that he is extremely self-centered and his views reflect it - which is the antithesis of the works spoken by Jesus while He walked the Earth.