-Removed-"Some people believe that God has designed creation such that some are predestined..."
And I've been saying that that's a misinterpretation of what predestination means. I've explained how that is so, and given the correct interpretation without receiving a return reply. I can't figure out why.
Seems, according to the incorrect interpretation, that that would make God unjust wouldn't it? To punish someone when they had no choice but to reject God's Christ and die in their sins.
The interpretation is wrong. Everyone has a choice.
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-Removed-I know how you also love to mischaracterize people, after all, especially those who somehow insult you by disagreeing with you. It wasn't meant to be a "bruiser", whatever that is. If I wanted it to be, I wouldn't have bothered. I just wanted to set the record straight.
The Catholics consider vanity one of the seven deadly sins. Its most profound effect is on the person who has it. The rest of us can just blow it off, at least until it becomes obnoxious.
Edit: I suppose it's also part of my point (which has apparently eluded you) that the things I say about you are probably not in the same league as what others have said. But still, you include me, because you suppose that I cannot go "unpunished" for the things I did say. Things which still seem obvious even to the most casual observer.
Originally posted by josephwI suppose it's right up there with "what you mean by 'wiretapping' ".
[b]"Some people believe that God has designed creation such that some are predestined..."
And I've been saying that that's a misinterpretation of what predestination means. I've explained how that is so, and given the correct interpretation without receiving a return reply. I can't figure out why.
Seems, according to the incorrect interpretation, t ...[text shortened]... eject God's Christ and die in their sins.
The interpretation is wrong. Everyone has a choice.[/b]
Predestined is predestined. There is only one meaning. And if everyone has a choice, then predestination is wrong. Period.
Originally posted by Suzianne"Predestined is predestined. There is only one meaning."
I suppose it's right up there with "what you mean by 'wiretapping' ".
Predestined is predestined. There is only one meaning. And if everyone has a choice, then predestination is wrong. Period.
But what does it mean within the context of the verses it's used in? Some believe it means that God choose some to be saved and others lost. That is wrong.
Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
God knew, before creation, who would believe and who wouldn't. Belief, or faith, is the prerequisite for salvation.
Predestinate in the verse above has to do with its object, i.e. to what believers are conformed to, which is the image of his son.
God foreknew who would believe, and predestined believers to be conformed to the image of his son.
That's what it means. To suggest that it means God decided who would be saved and who would be lost entirely negates volition, and if God sent to hell those who had no choice that would make God a monster of unparalleled evil.