Originally posted by divegeesterIsn't there one for me? 😉
Here's a selection of the trashy insults that have been aimed at me by "Christians" over the last few years. My personal favourite is "worse than Satan" (really!!?):
Son of Satan (robbie carrobie)
Worse than Satan (Galveston75)
Diabolical (Startreader)
Morals of a lynch mob murderer (robbie carrobie)
Liar (Startreader)
Mocker (KellyJay)
Fo ...[text shortened]... ter (Lemon Lime)
Narcissist (Lemon Lime)
Deserving of burning in hell for eternity (RJHinds)
16 Mar 17
Originally posted by divegeester"Some people believe that God has designed creation such that some are predestined..."
Some people believe that God has designed creation such that some are predestined or chosen to be saved and that the rest, who by default have no chance, will be supernaturally kept alive for eternity by Jesus in a place especially designed and maintained by him, where they will be burnt alive in the presence of Jesus and his angels.
Astonishing, isn't it.
And I've been saying that that's a misinterpretation of what predestination means. I've explained how that is so, and given the correct interpretation without receiving a return reply. I can't figure out why.
Seems, according to the incorrect interpretation, that that would make God unjust wouldn't it? To punish someone when they had no choice but to reject God's Christ and die in their sins.
The interpretation is wrong. Everyone has a choice.
17 Mar 17
Originally posted by divegeesterIt's not only possible; plenty of people choose to reject God every single day.
So let's assume that it is possible to choose to reject God, are you saying that doing that is sufficient reason to be tortured in flames for eternity?
"sufficient reason"?
You sound like you believe that people actually get "tortured in flames for eternity".
Originally posted by divegeesterI know how you also love to mischaracterize people, after all, especially those who somehow insult you by disagreeing with you. It wasn't meant to be a "bruiser", whatever that is. If I wanted it to be, I wouldn't have bothered. I just wanted to set the record straight.
Wow that's a bruiser compared to son of the devil 😵
The Catholics consider vanity one of the seven deadly sins. Its most profound effect is on the person who has it. The rest of us can just blow it off, at least until it becomes obnoxious.
Edit: I suppose it's also part of my point (which has apparently eluded you) that the things I say about you are probably not in the same league as what others have said. But still, you include me, because you suppose that I cannot go "unpunished" for the things I did say. Things which still seem obvious even to the most casual observer.
17 Mar 17
Originally posted by josephwI suppose it's right up there with "what you mean by 'wiretapping' ".
[b]"Some people believe that God has designed creation such that some are predestined..."
And I've been saying that that's a misinterpretation of what predestination means. I've explained how that is so, and given the correct interpretation without receiving a return reply. I can't figure out why.
Seems, according to the incorrect interpretation, t ...[text shortened]... eject God's Christ and die in their sins.
The interpretation is wrong. Everyone has a choice.[/b]
Predestined is predestined. There is only one meaning. And if everyone has a choice, then predestination is wrong. Period.
- Joined
- 16 Feb 08
- Moves
- 121464
17 Mar 17
Originally posted by josephwYou seem to be saying that because predestination is wrong, that it's ok to keep billions of people alive for eternity while your version of god tortures them with fire.
And I've been saying that that's a misinterpretation of what predestination means. I've explained how that is so, and given the correct interpretation without receiving a return reply. I can't figure out why.
Seems, according to the incorrect interpretation, that that would make God unjust wouldn't it? To punish someone when they had no choice but to reject God's Christ and die in their sins.
The interpretation is wrong. Everyone has a choice.
Surely that's not what your pulling out of this?
- Joined
- 16 Feb 08
- Moves
- 121464
17 Mar 17
Originally posted by SuzianneOk so you find the notion of burning people alive for eternity a heinous nonsense as I do, but you can only find the motivation to addrsss me about this terrible sleight on the nature of our God, never the motivation to address the proponents of it, such as sonship. Why is that?
You sound like you believe that people actually get "tortured in flames for eternity".
- Joined
- 16 Feb 08
- Moves
- 121464
Originally posted by SuzianneI've been posting here for nearly a decade Suzianne and yet here you are somehow believing that there is a "record" which you are worried about which needs to be set straight, and which you somehow think I'm also concerned about, and you are using some catholic dogma to sort of negatively impress it upon me.
I know how you also love to mischaracterize people, after all, especially those who somehow insult you by disagreeing with you. It wasn't meant to be a "bruiser", whatever that is. If I wanted it to be, I wouldn't have bothered. I just wanted to set the record straight.
The Catholics consider vanity one of the seven deadly sins. Its most profound eff ...[text shortened]... ed" for the things I did say. Things which still seem obvious even to the most casual observer.
If you are concerned about name calling, how it is you never take it up with any of those people on that list, just with me?
17 Mar 17
Originally posted by Suzianne"Predestined is predestined. There is only one meaning."
I suppose it's right up there with "what you mean by 'wiretapping' ".
Predestined is predestined. There is only one meaning. And if everyone has a choice, then predestination is wrong. Period.
But what does it mean within the context of the verses it's used in? Some believe it means that God choose some to be saved and others lost. That is wrong.
Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
God knew, before creation, who would believe and who wouldn't. Belief, or faith, is the prerequisite for salvation.
Predestinate in the verse above has to do with its object, i.e. to what believers are conformed to, which is the image of his son.
God foreknew who would believe, and predestined believers to be conformed to the image of his son.
That's what it means. To suggest that it means God decided who would be saved and who would be lost entirely negates volition, and if God sent to hell those who had no choice that would make God a monster of unparalleled evil.