Originally posted by @velnsThe Bible is a compilation of 66 books, written by around 40 diffent people over a span of around 1500 years. It has history, poetry, lamentations, divine inspiration and so on.
I’m not sure then what you meant by this in the context of you saying that the bible is not necessary of salvation?
[b]Originally posted by @kellyjay
.... for the letter kills but the Spirit gives us life.[/b]
Like a body without a soul and spirit is dead, so to just the letters of the book. Getting all doctrines correct and missing the love is worthless.
God is the creator of the universe who the authors of the book encountered or wrote about. If all you do is read the words missing the Spirit of God you will miss the whole point.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI’m not sure how your analogy is pertinent to the op?
Would you exist without oxygen?
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Originally posted by @kellyjayI do get that, but if as you said earlier, that god saves without the bible, then why is it required? Why doesn’t god save without it all the time?
The Bible is a compilation of 66 books, written by around 40 diffent people over a span of around 1500 years. It has history, poetry, lamentations, divine inspiration and so on.
Like a body without a soul and spirit is dead, so to just the letters of the book. Getting all doctrines correct and missing the love is worthless.
God is the creator of the ...[text shortened]... about. If all you do is read the words missing the Spirit of God you will miss the whole point.
Originally posted by @velnsHe does, being saved is getting right with God through Jesus Christ. The scriptures teaches us about God, but God has to actually cleanse us from our sin.
I do get that, but if as you said earlier, that god saves without the bible, then why is it required? Why doesn’t god save without it all the time?
The scriptures teaches us about God and sin, in the Old Testament God directed the Jewish people to build a Temple, down to the smallest details. One of the most important parts of this Temple was the Holy place (room), which was separated from the Most Holy place where the high priest could only enter once a year with sacrifice. What separated the two was a curtain, this showed the separation between God and man due to our sins.
Jesus when He died caused that curtain to rip in half from top to bottom, showing us the separation between God and man has been removed.
So now we can go to God in Jesus name, and as great as that is, now instead of once a year we can send in the high priest to the most Holy, Jesus said wherever two or three are gathered in His name He is there with us. Jesus is now our sacrifice, He also our Temple (meeting place), He is all we need.
No book can do that, it can only give us some insight into all God has done, doing, and will do.
Originally posted by @suzianneI already said that people like you believe the Bible should not be defined by the words it contains.
No, the Bible should not be defined by what YOU claim the words mean. You never fail to put your sick twist on what the Bible is saying.
Why do you ignore this every single time I've told you this?
Not sure what you were trying to do here, but that's ok, it is always good to see you following me. Just try to keep your need to get naked after reading my posts to yourself.
Originally posted by @eladarYou could always try reading what I post and then react accordingly, instead of whatever it is you're doing here. Try not to let your fantasies, and whatever else you believe, twist what is said into what you desperately want to hear. Same with the Bible and your fantasies regarding it.
I already said that people like you believe the Bible should not be defined by the words it contains.
Not sure what you were trying to do here, but that's ok, it is always good to see you following me. Just try to keep your need to get naked after reading my posts to yourself.
Originally posted by @velnsSalvation is God dependent not Bible dependent, God can use whatever He wants, but
I do get that, but if as you said earlier, that god saves without the bible, then why is it required? Why doesn’t god save without it all the time?
the bottom line is He is the one saving. Scripture is used, can be used for more than just
salvation.
When you say save without the Bible what are you driving at?
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe only way to God is through Jesus, you tell us. The story of Jesus is only in the Bible. There is no 'knowledge' about Jesus that can be obtained elsewhere. So, if someone has not read the Bible, and doesn't know Jesus, how can they meet God if the only way to God is through Jesus?
Salvation is God dependent not Bible dependent, God can use whatever He wants, but the bottom line is He is the one saving. Scripture is used, can be used for more than just salvation.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayI’m talking about your first post in this thread where you replied to my OP asking if Christianity would exist without the bible and you said with this:
When you say save without the Bible what are you driving at?
“People meet the Lord having never read scripture so yes.”
You said “yes” christianity would exist. Suzianne disagrees with you, which is ok. There seems to be mixed views on this so I’m just asking for opinion and discussion.
Originally posted by @suzianneNo that was indeed my term. But KellyJay did say this:
Yes, I did, and he did not say the Bible was superfluous to salvation.
People meet the Lord having never read scripture so yes.
I’m just extemding the premise that if people can “meet the Lord without having read scripture”, then surely when it comes to salvation (meeting the Lord) the bible has been on occiasions, superfluous.