@neilarini saidNo. That's just you making yourself look immature.
I saw the image of Christ depicted on a cheese thin this morning.
Is the Lord communicating the message of a vegetarian diet in general or specially advocating my spiritual need for cheese?
20 Sep 20
@secondson saidNothing worse than an immature cheese.
No. That's just you making yourself look immature.
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20 Sep 20
@secondson saidI think the Bible says very little regarding the appearance of Jesus.
Would you accept that that is what the Bible says?
Isn't that a depiction found in God's Word?
Does the Bible depict Jesus as having breasts, wearing makeup and wearing a dress? And for that matter, is Jesus depicted in the Bible as having anything to do with sin and ungodly conduct and behavior?
Thank you sir for reinforcing my point.
We can however extrapolate some things from the region he lived in.
@secondson saidWhich of these does the bible depict Jesus as having
Would you accept that that is what the Bible says?
Isn't that a depiction found in God's Word?
Does the Bible depict Jesus as having breasts, wearing makeup and wearing a dress? And for that matter, is Jesus depicted in the Bible as having anything to do with sin and ungodly conduct and behavior?
Thank you sir for reinforcing my point.
- blue eyes
- long blond hair
- fair skin
??????
Answer - NONE.
Therefore there should be NO depiction of any kind. Even if you knew these thiings, God does not approve of any statues or images. The reason is simple, that these material things become the objects of worship.
Christians have in their homes pictures of a man they say is Jesus Christ but that is the image of a crooked son of a pope from the 15th century. Many churches do the very same thing that God said to avoid.
20 Sep 20
@secondson saidIt's funny to me when I hear US Christians rail against Islamic Fundamentalism, when so many of them are of equal fervor.
Any depiction, representation or characterization of Jesus Christ, by an alleged follower of Jesus Christ, that is not according to the truth of God's Word is blasphemous.
Back when I used to watch Christian Television, some of the commentators would speak wistfully of the punishments doled out for blasphemy by more hard-line nations, wishing they could do the same here. At least they were honest!
20 Sep 20
@neilarini saidBlessed are the cheesemakers.
Is the Lord communicating the message of a vegetarian diet in general or specially advocating my spiritual need for cheese?
@wolfgang59 saidSame for atheists.
That's a very responsible position.
If only all religious folk could keep themselves to themselves.
@wolfgang59 saidHeresy! Say 100 Charles Darwins outside, then drink a glass of scotch before the statue of Christopher Hitchens to atone for this sin.
I don't think atheists preach to other atheists and tell them their atheism isn't true atheism!
Edit:
"Hail Charles, full of grace; bless this accidental human race."
20 Sep 20
@suzianne said(1) Christ came for the salvation of everyone, yes.
Let me ask you something.
Is he EVERYone's Christ, or just yours?
Are you equally offended by depictions of Jesus as black?
There are Christians who are offended by the mainstream depictions of Jesus as white. Does that bother you?
However, blasphemous depictions of Christ are definitely not a part of that deal.
(2) I am not offended at all by non-Semitic portrayals of Christ as these can actually be purely artistic or honest interpretations of Christ, sometimes even honest ignorance about what his physical features would be, which carries with it a certain sweetness.
However, these can also go too far. But they would never be as bad as what the Church of Iceland did here.
(3)
There are Christians who are offended by the mainstream depictions of Jesus as white. Does that bother you?
I think they are wrong in their ideas about this because the case was that many people who saw Jews in Europe saw white people who looked a lot like themselves; thus some Dutch painter thinking "Christ is a Jew; the bulk of the Jews down in Amsterdam are white; I guess he was white" is understandable.
Likewise, you can see depictions of Christ overturning the table of the moneylenders -- the moneylenders who would be the villains! - and the moneylenders themselves as white...
They painted the arch-nemesis of Christians, Judas-Iscariot, as white:
https://www.artbible.info/art/large/429.html
They painted the Shah of Persia as a light-skinned white:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Shah_Ismail_I.jpg
Persians painted him as a more typical Persian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Shah_Ismail.JPG
I think it's an honest case of even well-to-do artists in Europe not having much of an idea of the appearance of Middle Eastern people, and not racial animus.
It's fine to be mistaken.
20 Sep 20
@bigdoggproblem saidIt is also funny to hear US Marxists rail against Korean Christians, when I also think that they are of equal fervor.
It's funny to me when I hear US Christians rail against Islamic Fundamentalism, when so many of them are of equal fervor.
Back when I used to watch Christian Television, some of the commentators would speak wistfully of the punishments doled out for blasphemy by more hard-line nations, wishing they could do the same here. At least they were honest!
Of course, Marxists, Christians, and Muslims all believe in very different things, so their fervor has very different forms.
20 Sep 20
@wolfgang59 saidThe problem is that,
That's a very responsible position.
If only all religious folk could keep themselves to themselves.
if you do not do politics, politics will be dune unto you.
We've learned the lessons of Russia.
And before Russia, people learned the lessons of even places here like Korea, where the King had Christians martyred, and where Buddhists were crushed and closely controlled by the King and the Confucian elites.
To keep quiet and passive because atheists are annoyed is not just illogical, but it is also cowardice.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnother interesting idea you hear from some Orthodox is that there are traditions of iconography that really stretch back, and so we do have an idea of Christs' appearance based off of some of the oldest icons. The same is true for the appearance of the Theotokos and many early Saints.
I think the Bible says very little regarding the appearance of Jesus.
We can however extrapolate some things from the region he lived in.
21 Sep 20
@wolfgang59 saidNot yet, give it a 1000 yrs.
I don't think atheists preach to other atheists and tell them their atheism isn't true atheism!