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02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Silver SlayerThe thing is, its not impossible for bacteria to evolve into humans. It might be improbable thats all. Strange how someone mentioned Quantum mechanics before, because, coincidentally this branch of physics is being used to explain evolution. One interpretation of the wave-particle duality of everything is the other-worlds hypothesis. According to this hypothesis every
If it wasnt created by God, how did it get here? A big bang and evolution?, I dont think so. People may have changed ''evolved'' over the years, but to me it is ludicrous to say we evolved from bacteria or what ever!
possible outcome that can occur, collapses into its own reality. This means every possible event occurs. Life being a possibility eventuates in its own reality, non- life doing the same. Out of the extremely large number of realities we occupy the life-one. Hence, the argument used by ID advocates that random- variations-leading- to- new- species- is- improbable is irrelevant, because every posssibility occupies its own reality and our existence is purely a product of lifes inevitability. This is an extremely metaphysical theory but i thought it a better theory then "God did it."
02 Jan 06
Originally posted by stockenI think there needs intelligence to create intelligence. When I say intelligence I mean self conscous,intelligent beings. I dont think intelligence evolved until it could just become intelligent. My opinion is some 'being, or higher intelligence has existed through out time and eterity, some one commonly called God.
No, no, you're missing the point. We didn't evolve from bacteria, because then, where did bacteria come from? If we were created by a God, where did God come from? The question is too big to answer, so try and answer this instead: "What is the basis of intelligence (conciousness)?" Based on your answer to that question, you can ask yourself if intelligence really needed intelligence to be created.
02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Conrau KEvolutionists can believe 'they' are evolved from an ape, or spider, or some sort of bacteria, but leave me out of it!!!!
The thing is, its not impossible for bacteria to evolve into humans. It might be improbable thats all. Strange how someone mentioned Quantum mechanics before, because, coincidentally this branch of physics is being used to explain evolution. One interpretation of the wave-particle duality of everything is the other-worlds hypothesis. According to this hypot ...[text shortened]... . This is an extremely metaphysical theory but i thought it a better theory then "God did it."
02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Silver SlayerThen tell me from where did the intelligence come which created intelligence (as you know it)?
I think there needs intelligence to create intelligence. When I say intelligence I mean self conscous,intelligent beings. I dont think intelligence evolved until it could just become intelligent. My opinion is some 'being, or higher intelligence has existed through out time and eterity, some one commonly called God.
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02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Silver SlayerTheres no reason to believe that. Suggest one reason why intelligence couldn't have evolved.
I think there needs intelligence to create intelligence. When I say intelligence I mean self conscous,intelligent beings. I dont think intelligence evolved until it could just become intelligent. My opinion is some 'being, or higher intelligence has existed through out time and eterity, some one commonly called God.
02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Conrau KI can suggest reasons or even debate it, it becomes a question of wha you belive, As I believe Darth Vader said;
Theres no reason to believe that. Suggest one reason why intelligence couldn't have evolved.
"Search your feelings. You know it to be true" and
"I find your lack of faith disturbing"!!!
Good old Darth!!
02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Silver SlayerAnd he also said
I can suggest reasons or even debate it, it becomes a question of wha you belive, As I believe Darth Vader said;
"Search your feelings. You know it to be true" and
"I find your lack of faith disturbing"!!!
Good old Darth!!
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force"
I think that fits really well with humans and nature / evolution. Humans, and in particular, conciousness are nothing too special.
02 Jan 06
Originally posted by Silver SlayerA man didn’t understand how televisions work, and was convinced that there must be lots of little men inside the box. manipulating images at high speed. An engineer explained to him about high frequency modulations of the electromagnetic spectrum, about transmitters and receivers, about amplifiers and cathode ray tubes, about scan lines moving across and down a phosphorescent screen. The man listened to the engineer with careful attention, nodding his head at every step of the argument. At the end he pronounced himself satisfied. He really did now understand how televisions work. "But I expect there are just a few little men in there, aren’t there?"
I think there needs intelligence to create intelligence. When I say intelligence I mean self conscous,intelligent beings. I dont think intelligence evolved until it could just become intelligent. My opinion is some 'being, or higher intelligence has existed through out time and eterity, some one commonly called God.
-- Douglas Adams
Do I need to spell out the parallels?
03 Jan 06
Originally posted by Silver SlayerSorry, I thought you might like a Jedi style joke. Let me know when you're sense of humour's been repaired.
“What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?”
George Orwell
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03 Jan 06
Originally posted by Conrau KOr, perhaps this is just another of science's limitations.
Of course consciousness can be replicated. Its probably extremely difficult though. If as scottishinnz said 'consciousness is awareness' (scottishinnz was a little more precise, so forgive). Then consciousness can be seen as an interaction with chemicals in the brain and chemicals outside of the brain.
Your objection however is completely metaphysical a ...[text shortened]... nd organisms contain a vital orce i.e. god), which was funnily enough disproved 200 years ago.
We cannot limit ourselves to only that which can be measured, utilizing our primitive tools. This is arrogance.
With that mindset, our skin will be gone before we realize we're standing too near the fire.
03 Jan 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIt may be a limitation of science, however without proof that science is wrong how do we proceed? I agree that the tools availble for many measurements are not optimal, always we make new discoveries when new technologies come along. The thing is, however, that the logical processes behind science have not significantly changed since Newton or Galileo's time. Perhaps science isn't perfect, but if that is to happen we need new logic, better than we currently have, and new language better than english, and it still might be impossible to prove the existance of god. Science will improve over time, but the sciprture will not change, unless people, not gods change it. I believe everything in this universe can be explained - and I will not accept an explanation which is not either provable / testable or relies on a supernatural force. If the universe is indeed real, it has rules, and they are understandable. If there are no rules there is nothing.
Or, perhaps this is just another of science's limitations.
We cannot limit ourselves to only that which can be measured, utilizing our primitive tools. This is arrogance.
With that mindset, our skin will be gone before we realize we're standing too near the fire.
03 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzIf there are no rules there is nothing.
Excellent post. And yet, you will agree, there are many things which, although, immeasurable, are nonetheless, real and/or actual?
My caution is the caution of history: when any thought gives way to fundamentalism, time betrays the romance.