11 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompMaybe it is true that 1 single point may enforce an entire theory, but similarly, Evolution has many many weaknesses.
It's a scientific theory in the scientific method's sense of the word and not the folk word that means guess.
For example creationism is only a hypothesis because there is no underlying science to support it, seeing how it rests on one single unprovable factor.Whereas : evolution has science laws, theories , tests and evidence in abu ...[text shortened]... evolution and in that case you would have to call evolution either a Law of a fact.
A fact or law, is something that is definate. If it has many holes, then it is not definate.
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11 Jul 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI HAVE A BIG QUESTION.
Here is a currently accepted model for the evolution of the eye:
It's well known that genes change over time in a species. There is variation. It is perfectly conceivable that a light sensitive patch might appear due to variation. This by itself would be an advantage to the organism that evolved it, and therefore this organism would be more lik ...[text shortened]... enome.
Does that help?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html
IF WHAT IS STATED HER IS TRUE AND THAT THE EYE DID EVOLVE,
THEN HOW DID OUR ANSCESTORS SEE BEFORE THAT?
HOW DID THEY PICK FOOD, FIND PLACES TO SLEEP, NOT FALL INTO PITS AND MOST OF LIVE?
And dont make up a silly excuse like, they could smell the dangers.
If that was so, then why is our sence of smell not so powerfull today.
Bye
11 Jul 05
I understand there are some bizarre things as a result of geneticI agree with Kelly Jay.
change and how many of them are good?
Genetic changes are more often, bad than good.
Even so, what is the chances of all those eye cells, coming together to create such a complex life form, such as the eye.
That is impossible, let alone humans and the earth evolving.
Your talking absolutly crazy odds.
11 Jul 05
Where it does exist it is due to the influence of US funded evengeilsts trying to dumb the rest of the world down to their level.Have you considered your own teachings as possible influences by those who 100% deteste God and creation.
How do you know that YOU are not just one who is being used, to spread theories?
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11 Jul 05
Originally posted by rwingettHow you interpret the evidence depends on your presuppositions. If you believe evolution is a fact, then everything you look at will seem to prove evolution. You will look at a monkey, see some resemblence between yourself and the monkey and you will use that to prove your preconceived idea.
Evolution is as close to being a proven fact as is possible. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence in its favor. Because you cannot comprehend how it works speaks more about your lack of understanding than about any shortcomings in evolution.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by PhledosThere are no points in favor of creationism. None. That's why the entire agenda for creationists consists of doggedly trying to demonstrate some supposed flaws in evolution rather than in trying to demonstrate the "superior" explanatory power of creationism. They end up by demonstrating nothing but their own stupidity.
Likewise, with creation. Many points in favour but, hardly anyone takes the time to understand it.
Hence my point above.
I understand creationism. Any brain damaged cretin can understand creationism. That's why so many idiots flock toward it like moths to a flame. Evolution, on the other hand, requires a little study of science. As we all know, science can be hard. So we get an endless swarm of morons in this forum who piously exclaim their disbelief in how this or that part of evolution could have happened, despite the fact that they've never read any reputable material on the matter. Their knowledge of evolution consists almost entirely of the slanted propoganda they've stumbled across in their churches or on their creationist websites.
Creationism is a complete and utter waste of time. Believe in god all you want, it makes no difference to me. But the degree to which you believe in creationism, Phledos, is the degree to which you are an idiot. I'm sorry if that sounds a little harsh, but that's the way it is. You're in the 21st century now. Creationism belongs in the dark ages, along with the inquisition and the geocentric view of the universe.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by PhledosPerhaps people don't take the time to understand it because after thousands of posts in these RHP forums, not one shred of scientific evidence has been presented in favor of creation.
Likewise, with creation. Many points in favour but, hardly anyone takes the time to understand it.
(newsflash: theological arguments, while important and sometimes compelling, are not science.)
Moreover, outside the RHP forums, creationists have been pumping out books, articles, films, and websites at least since the late 1960s. Yet, as far as I have been able to detremine, all of this effort has resulted in exactly one article in a refereed science journal.
One against hundreds of thousands stretches the word "likewise" so far beyond the breaking point that I must oppose you because of my commitment to language and communication, regardless of my understanding of science and my perspectives on religion.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by PhledosThe eye preceded the development of humanity by eons.
I HAVE A BIG QUESTION.
IF WHAT IS STATED HER IS TRUE AND THAT THE EYE DID EVOLVE,
THEN HOW DID OUR ANSCESTORS SEE BEFORE THAT?
HOW DID THEY PICK FOOD, FIND PLACES TO SLEEP, NOT FALL INTO PITS AND MOST OF LIVE?
And dont make up a silly excuse like, they could smell the dangers.
If that was so, then why is our sence of smell not so powerfull today.
Bye
You've got to learn something of the science before you can criticize it.
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11 Jul 05
Originally posted by rwingettThere are no points in favor of creationism. None.
There are no points in favor of creationism. None. That's why the entire agenda for creationists consists of doggedly trying to demonstrate some supposed flaws in evolution rather than in trying to demonstrate the "superior" explanatory power of creationism. They end up by demonstrating nothing but their own stupidity.
I understand creationism. Any ...[text shortened]... m belongs in the dark ages, along with the inquisition and the geocentric view of the universe.
True, if your presuppositions are in favour of evolution then nothing will support anything other than evolution. I can understand if you are an atheist and you believe in evolution. Atheism and Evolution are both pillars of the Secular Huminism religion. But if you are a Theist then I can't see why you would have a problem believing Creationism.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by PhledosThe eye is very ancient, pre-dating humans, mammals, and vertebrates.
I HAVE A BIG QUESTION.
IF WHAT IS STATED HER IS TRUE AND THAT THE EYE DID EVOLVE,
THEN HOW DID OUR ANSCESTORS SEE BEFORE THAT?
HOW DID THEY PICK FOOD, FIND PLACES TO SLEEP, NOT FALL INTO PITS AND MOST OF LIVE?
And dont make up a silly excuse like, they could smell the dangers.
If that was so, then why is our sence of smell not so powerfull today.
Bye
Some other dork asked in equlaly smug tones "why hasn't the eye evelved in more than one form? Well it hass, compare the compound eyes of insects with the simple eyes of vertebrates.
If you bothered to read around the subject you wouldn't ask silly questions in capital letters.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by PhledosHA HA HA HA (prat)
I agree with Kelly Jay.
Genetic changes are more often, bad than good.
Even so, what is the chances of all those eye cells, coming together to create such a complex life form, such as the eye.
That is impossible, let alone humans and the earth evolving.
Your talking absolutly crazy odds.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by PhledosNo, I was taught biology including evolution by a devout christian. Most christians are fine about evolution. Its only the fundementalist bigots get worked up about it
Have you considered your own teachings as possible influences by those who 100% deteste God and creation.
How do you know that YOU are not just one who is being used, to spread theories?
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerHA HA HA (prat)
How you interpret the evidence depends on your presuppositions. If you believe evolution is a fact, then everything you look at will seem to prove evolution. You will look at a monkey, see some resemblence between yourself and the monkey and you will use that to prove your preconceived idea.