corporal punishment

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
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you smack the elderly!!!! shame on you r.c.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
How I miss my old commune's Corrective Collective ...

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
you smack the elderly!!!! shame on you r.c.

parenting advise, 209,000,000 hits on google, if you were to read them all, your kids
would be grown up and be having kids of their own. 😲

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
parenting advise, 209,000,000 hits on google, if you were to read them all, your kids
would be grown up and be having kids of their own. 😲

can any of them advise when hitting becomes a violent act rather than a tool to educate children?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
can any of them advise when hitting becomes a violent act rather than a tool to educate children?

Could you, drawing on experience - or, failing that, imagination - make a suggestion of your own, without Google?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
I read it in it's entirety. In fact I even cited his summary statements from that article:

We need to tell parents of our patients about ways to discipline that will not cause physical and mental harm. We need to tell them that hitting may be a temporary expedient but can be harmful and counter-productive.

What's your point?

I not ...[text shortened]... quote]

Do you also believe that it also "[supports your] position and undermines [mine]"?

Well, as usual, you only quote the one sentence that you think supports your view. Again, I like to read the full context. Here it is:

Where We Stand: Spanking

The American Academy of Pediatrics strongly opposes striking a child for any reason.

If a spanking is spontaneous, parents should later explain calmly why they did it, the specific behavior that provoked it, and how angry they felt. They also might apologize to their child for their loss of control. This usually helps the youngster to understand and accept the spanking, and it models for the child how to remediate a wrong.

And from elsewhere on the site:

Why Spanking Is Not the Best Choice

The American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend spanking. Although most Americans were spanked as children, we now know that it has several important side effects.

Even though spanking may seem to "work" at first, it loses its impact after a while.

Because most parents do not want to spank, they are less likely to be consistent.

Spanking increases aggression and anger instead of teaching responsibility.

Parents may intend to stay calm but often do not, and then regret their actions later.

Spanking can lead to physical struggles and even grow to the point of harming the child.

It is true that many adults who were spanked as children may be well-adjusted and caring people today.

However, research has shown that, when compared with children who are not spanked, children who are spanked are more likely to become adults who are depressed, use alcohol, have more anger, hit their own children, hit their spouses, and engage in crime and violence.

These adult outcomes make sense because spanking teaches a child that causing others pain is OK if you're frustrated or want to maintain control—even with those you love. A child is not likely to see the difference between getting spanked from his parents and hitting a sibling or another child when he doesn't get what he wants.

So, now let’s play spot the difference. The AAP is talking about spanking which:

• would include hitting with an implement
• is intended to, and does, cause pain
• would include bouts of long duration

It would include circumstances under which the spanking is used:

• not in response to an immediate need to cause an instant change in the child’s behaviour
• as a punishment for bad behaviour
• as a primary means of discipline
• applied frequently and inconsistently

See if you can spot the differences from the definition of child swatting and the terms of the acceptable circumstances when it may be used I posted above.

In many cases, the AAP acknowledges that their concern is not so much about the individual isolated acts themselves, but rather where they might lead.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
can any of them advise when hitting becomes a violent act rather than a tool to educate children?

you are talking of child abuse rather than child discipline me thinks. The attempts
here seem to me to be that swatting as defined by bbar and also espoused by rank
outsider in that there is no pain inflicted, that it does not leave a mark, that it is with
the open hand and without an implement, that it is of a short duration and
infrequent, all of which i must concur with except the point on it being painless. I
would also like to add that smacks should be given on the buttocks or the back of
the hand, nowhere else, especially not the face. It appears to me though that the
whole effectiveness both as a form of punishment and as a deterrent is that it must
contain a degree of pain. I have seen children mischievously smiling after their
mothers have smacked them in contempt at the ineffectiveness of the punishment.
Of course the infliction of excessive pain, by either heavy handedness or
unnecessary repeated smacks or frequent use for minor misdemeanour's borders to
my mind on abuse.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Could you, drawing on experience - or, failing that, imagination - make a suggestion of your own, without Google?

what? a suggestion regarding what? whats google got to do with it? im not sure i know what you asking me, its probably obvious, but your gonna have to help me out here.

regarding my post to robbie - robbie follows an anti-violence religion that is against hitting adults but also advocates smacking children. i was wondering at what point it becomes violence.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
what? a suggestion regarding what? whats google got to do with it? im not sure i know what you asking me, its probably obvious, but your gonna have to help me out here.

regarding my post to robbie - robbie follows an anti-violence religion that is against hitting adults but also advocates smacking children. i was wondering at what point it becomes violence.

i am not an advocate of smacking children, I simply have not ruled it out as a
legitimate form of discipline. To state that its a violent act is quite sensationalistic to
my mind.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are talking of child abuse rather than child discipline me thinks. The attempts
here seem to me to be that swatting as defined by bbar and also espoused by rank
outsider in that there is no pain inflicted, that it does not leave a mark, that it is with
the open hand and without an implement, that it is of a short duration and
infrequent, ...[text shortened]... cessary repeated smacks or frequent use for minor misdemeanour's borders to
my mind on abuse.

no im not talking about child abuse. as you say, for it to be effective it must contain an element of pain. im pretty sure you wouldnt do that to an adult so at what point do you stop doing it do a child.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i am not an advocate of smacking children, I simply have not ruled it out as a
legitimate form of discipline. To state that its a violent act is quite sensationalistic to
my mind.

im not majorly against it either to be honest, violence is probably the wrong word, i here by retract it. i guess (to me) it seems at odds with the peaceful nature the j.w's preach. you wouldnt smack an adult to get their attention. you wouldnt smack a naughty adult. why do it to a child. at what point to we stop smacking and why?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
no im not talking about child abuse. as you say, for it to be effective it must contain an element of pain. im pretty sure you wouldnt do that to an adult so at what point do you stop doing it do a child.

wouldn't do what to an adult, smack them? its simply absurd, i am not responsible for
disciplining other adults, am I, would you have me going around my little town and
smacking teenagers who dropped litter, bus drivers who arrived late? at what point am
I responsible for the discipline of other adults, or even other children for that matter?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wouldn't do what to an adult, smack them? its simply absurd, i am not responsible for
disciplining other adults, am I, would you have me going around my little town and
smacking teenagers who dropped litter, bus drivers who arrived late? at what point am
I responsible for the discipline of other adults, or even other children for that matter?

absurd, exactly, smacking an adult is absurd. what about hitting a 15yr old is that absurd? i would say so. at what point does it stop being absurd and become acceptable? 13, 10, 8, 7 - all seem absurd. does it become more acceptable the younger they are? would we smack an adult with the mental age of a child?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Could you, drawing on experience - or, failing that, imagination - make a suggestion of your own, without Google?

I suggest giving Google's ears a regular cuffing in the hope that it'll leave home and get a real job when it's 16.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wouldn't do what to an adult, smack them? its simply absurd, i am not responsible for
disciplining other adults, am I, would you have me going around my little town and
smacking teenagers who dropped litter, bus drivers who arrived late? at what point am
I responsible for the discipline of other adults, or even other children for that matter?

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