@rajk999 saidYou believe in once saved always saved?
NO. Definitely not. They were saved. The saving is done by Christ. To now say that anyone is no longer saved means that Christ failed. It is people that failed, not that God changed his mind. No such thing happened.
God through Christ saves. This is the door to eternal life. If a man says he is going to walk through that door but does not, then he is lost. The saving pro ...[text shortened]... ot all the saved Christian saints will inherit eternal life. The saved can fall away and be damned.
I think you will find everyone acknowledging you can walk away! Not walking away means what?
@kellyjay saidJesus Christ did his part.
You believe in once saved always saved?
I think you will find everyone acknowledging you can walk away! Not walking away means what?
Christ saves.
Christ forgives
Christ gives the Holy Spirit
Man has a part to do
On judgment day :
Christ judges.
Christ rewards, or destroys
There is nothing called 'unsaved,' or 'unborn'.
Those words like many others are in common use in Christianity
Therefore there are:
- the Saved who are rewarded
- the Saved who are destroyed, damned or lost.
@rajk999 saidActually you don't see the saved damned, what you do see is Jesus saying depart I never knew you.
Jesus Christ did his part.
Christ saves.
Christ forgives
Christ gives the Holy Spirit
Man has a part to do
On judgment day :
Christ judges.
Christ rewards, or destroys
There is nothing called 'unsaved,' or 'unborn'.
Those words like many others are in common use in Christianity
Therefore there are:
- the Saved who are rewarded
- the Saved who are destroyed, damned or lost.
@kellyjay saidYou can call it what you want.
Actually you don't see the saved damned, what you do see is Jesus saying depart I never knew you.
Sonship says they are still saved, and will still get eternal life
Paul said no inheritance in the Kingdom of God, / they are destroyed
Jesus said Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
You please yourself.
The point stands, Saved Christian Saints who have the Holy Spirit, but who live in sin are not accepted in the Kingdom of God. Christ will judge who these people are.
@sonship saidYou are demonstrating why your doctrine is a failure. The very next passage says :
@Rajk999
Therefore there are:
- the Saved who are rewarded
- the Saved who are destroyed, damned or lost.
The New Testament verses Rajk999. You decide.
"If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, BUT HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:15)
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:15-17 KJV)
There is a group of these Christians who defile themselves and GOD WILL DESTROY THEM ...
You moron.
@rajk999 saidThe statement by Christ for those who thought that they were right but not will be the same., “Depart from me I never knew you.” It will not matter that they trusted in their religion, duties, works, or anything else, if they are without God in them when they stand before Him. Hebrews speaks to those that trampled under foot the Son of God who have outraged the Spirit of grace, so yes even having God’s Spirit doesn’t mean you cannot walk away!
You can call it what you want.
Sonship says they are still saved, and will still get eternal life
Paul said no inheritance in the Kingdom of God, / they are destroyed
Jesus said Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
You please yourself.
The point stands, Saved Christian Saints who have the Holy Spirit, but who live in sin are not accepted in the Kingdom of God. Christ will judge who these people are.
They that do that are heading towards God who says vengeance is His. To have enraged the Spirit of grace then stand before God at judgment, it will be a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God!
Bible verses that disprove the teaching of ‘once saved, always saved’
The Bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21) If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless. Instead, the Bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a practice of serious sin. For example, Hebrews 10:26 states: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.”—Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22.
Jesus emphasized the importance of maintaining faith by giving an illustration in which he likened himself to a vine and his followers to branches on that vine. Some of them would at one time demonstrate faith in him by their fruits, or actions, yet would later fail to do so and be “thrown out like a [fruitless] branch,” losing their salvation. (John 15:1-6) The apostle Paul used a similar illustration, saying that Christians who do not maintain their faith “will be lopped off.”—Romans 11:17-22.
Christians are commanded to “keep on the watch.” (Matthew 24:42; 25:13) Those who fall asleep spiritually, whether by practicing “works belonging to darkness” or by not fully performing the works that Jesus commanded, lose their salvation.—Romans 13:11-13; Revelation 3:1-3.
Many scriptures show that those who have been saved must still endure faithfully to the end. (Matthew 24:13; Hebrews 10:36; 12:2, 3; Revelation 2:10) First-century Christians expressed joy when they learned that fellow believers were enduring in their faith. (1 Thessalonians 1:2, 3; 3 John 3, 4) Does it seem reasonable that the Bible would stress faithful endurance if those who did not endure would be saved anyway?
Only when his death was imminent did the apostle Paul feel that his salvation was assured. (2 Timothy 4:6-8) Earlier in his life, he recognized that he could still miss out on salvation if he gave in to fleshly desires. He wrote: “I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.”—1 Corinthians 9:27; Philippians 3:12-14.
@galveston75 saidWell said.
Bible verses that disprove the teaching of ‘once saved, always saved’
The Bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21) If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless. Instead, the Bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a practice ...[text shortened]... thers, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.”—1 Corinthians 9:27; Philippians 3:12-14.
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@rajk999 saidThis is where your doctrine is flawed.
You can call it what you want.
Sonship says they are still saved, and will still get eternal life
Paul said no inheritance in the Kingdom of God, / they are destroyed
Jesus said Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
You please yourself.
The point stands, Saved Christian Saints who have the Holy Spirit, but who live in sin are not accepted in the Kingdom of God. Christ will judge who these people are.
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. ..
Those that live in sin do not have the Holy Spirit. Those that do not have the Holy Spirit are not saved.
@dj2becker saidOH .. interesting. thanks for telling me.
This is where your doctrine is flawed.
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. ..
Those that live in sin do not have the Holy Spirit. Those that do not have the Holy Spirit are not saved.
I now believe in once saved always saved.
Hallelujah. Praise the Lord.
Im saved ... eternally.
I can now sin all I want.
@galveston75 saidThis is what I have been saying here for about 14 years.
Bible verses that disprove the teaching of ‘once saved, always saved’
The Bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21) If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless. Instead, the Bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a practice ...[text shortened]... thers, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.”—1 Corinthians 9:27; Philippians 3:12-14.
Enduring great opposition from the Christians here.
So it is a good post.
However it sure is not your writing style.
Where did you copy and paste it from?
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You are demonstrating why your doctrine is a failure. The very next passage says :
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:15-17 KJV)
There is a group of these Christians who defile themselves and GOD WILL DESTROY THEM ...
You moron.
Calling me names such as moron does nothing to strengthen your erroneous interpretation.
In this context:
The being destroyed in First Corinthians 3:17 refers to the one who is SAVED and who suffers loss in verse 15.
Here in chapter 5 is an example of a SAVED person whom was due to be destroyed yet saved. It was the sinning Corinthian Christian who was living in immorality with a close relative.
"In the name of the Lord Jesus, when you and my spirit are assembled, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
to deliver such a one to Satan for THE DESTRUCTION of the flesh that the spirit may be SAVED in the day of the Lord." (1 Cor. 5:5)
So in First Corinthians you have both:
1.) The definite plain teaching that a Christian can be SAVED and suffer loss (1 Cor. 3:14,15).
2.) The example of a brother Paul expected to undergo destruction that he (his spirit) would be saved (1 Cor. 5:5)
@sonship saidYou must be pretty stupid to think that
@Rajk999
[quote] You are demonstrating why your doctrine is a failure. The very next passage says :
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple o ...[text shortened]... brother Paul expected to undergo destruction that he (his spirit) would be saved (1 Cor. 5:5)
deliver up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh
Is the same as
Him him will God destroy
You are equating Satan with God ? Satan can destroy the flesh. God destroys both body and soul.