Damnation of the saved

@rajk999 said
OH .. interesting. thanks for telling me.
I now believe in once saved always saved.
Hallelujah. Praise the Lord.
Im saved ... eternally.
I can now sin all I want.

What are you on about? You sound confused.

@Rajk999

deliver up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh
Is the same as
Him him will God destroy

You are equating Satan with God ? Satan can destroy the flesh. God destroys both body and soul.

I do not insist the two passages are exactly equivalent in every respect.

But in these two respects the ARE the same.

Saved yet suffering loss.
Destroyed yet saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There is no possible way around the fact that the SAVED person in 3:15 is not eternally lost.

" ... he shall suffer loss, but he himself will be SAVED yet so as through fire."

There is no possibility of you arguing that such a person is eternally lost. None whatsoever no matter how you spin.

There is also no possibility that the person in 5:5 is to undergo destruction of the flesh is not eternally saved though he suffers THAT loss.

" ... deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord." (5:5)

BOTH instances are examples of the eternally redeemed undergoing some punishing discipline YET BEING SAVED.

"He shall receive a reward" (v.14) refers to a SAVED Christian.

"He shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved" (v.15) refers to a SAVED Christian.

Both passages refer to an eternally redeemed human being.

This is the best interpretation notwithstanding your desperate attempts to call names and denigrate those who disagree with your explanation.

@sonship said
@Rajk999

deliver up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh
Is the same as
Him him will God destroy

You are equating Satan with God ? Satan can destroy the flesh. God destroys both body and soul.

I do not insist the two passages are exactly equivalent in every respect.

But in these two respects the ARE the same.

Saved yet suffering los ...[text shortened]... anding your desperate attempts to call names and denigrate those who disagree with your explanation.

There is no such thing in the bible as eternally redeemed

Your entire doctrine is a bunch of fabricated nonsense from the mouth of Witness Lee and a few other morons who cannot read neither can they understand. You have chosen to follow after these false teachers. Those who read and understand the bible will not tolerate your flawed explanations and infantile conclusions

Christ and all the Apostles wee clear:
- Righteous Saints in Christ are rewarded with positions of authority and eternal life
- Average saints with get nothing but will still get eternal life in the end after a period of correction
- The unrighteous Saints will be DESTROYED BY GOD., THEY WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. THEY WILL BE CAST OUT.

In the book of Revelation, Jesus makes it clear to the churches that only those who OVERCOME will enter the Kingdom of God.

@Rajk999

There is no such thing in the bible as eternally redeemed

Lies from Rajk999.

But Christ having come a High Priest ... but through His own blood, entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having found an eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11a,12)

@rajk999 said
There is no such thing in the bible as eternally redeemed

Your entire doctrine is a bunch of fabricated nonsense from the mouth of Witness Lee and a few other morons who cannot read neither can they understand. You have chosen to follow after these false teachers. Those who read and understand the bible will not tolerate your flawed explanations and infantile con ...[text shortened]... on, Jesus makes it clear to the churches that only those who OVERCOME will enter the Kingdom of God.

So God’s redemption is only good for a few years, months, weeks, days, or what if not forever for those He says well done at judgment?

@sonship said
@Rajk999

There is no such thing in the bible as eternally redeemed

Lies from Rajk999.

But Christ having come a High Priest ... but through His own blood, entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having found an eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11a,12)

Jesus Christ found eternal redemption by His death and resurrection. So I repeat :

The bible has nothing about anyone being eternally redeemed.

Jesus Christ did this for mankind and will at some point select those who qualify and they will also be given eternal redemption in the form of eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

You are abusing that doctrine and falsely applying it yourself.

@sonship said
@Rajk999

There is no such thing in the bible as eternally redeemed

Lies from Rajk999.

But Christ having come a High Priest ... but through His own blood, entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having found an eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11a,12)

He is certainly determined to defend the indefensible just to try and prove his superiority above the church for some obscure reason. Fascinating indeed.

@rajk999 said
Jesus Christ found eternal redemption by His death and resurrection. So I repeat :

The bible has nothing about anyone being eternally redeemed.

Jesus Christ did this for mankind and will at some point select those who qualify and they will also be given eternal redemption in the form of eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

You are abusing that doctrine and falsely applying it yourself.

You are contradicting yourself yet again.

@dj2becker said
He is certainly determined to defend the indefensible just to try and prove his superiority above the church for some obscure reason. Fascinating indeed.

Where does the bible say anyone is eternally redeemed?

@rajk999 said
Where does the bible say anyone is eternally redeemed?

So you’re saying those with eternal life are not eternally redeemed? Sorry Rajk your position is ludicrous.

@dj2becker said
So you’re saying those with eternal life are not eternally redeemed? Sorry Rajk your position is ludicrous.

As usual nothing of substance from you church people. No references, no explanation that makes sense. Nothing....

@rajk999 said
As usual nothing of substance from you church people. No references, no explanation that makes sense. Nothing....

Anyone with a little bit of common sense understands that those who are eternally redeemed have eternal life. Apart from Rajk who has superior knowledge and understanding to those that attend a church.

@dj2becker

He is certainly determined to defend the indefensible just to try and prove his superiority above the church for some obscure reason. Fascinating indeed.

I don't understand the stubbornness of the man.

@Rajk999

Where does the bible say anyone is eternally redeemed?

So you are saying that Christ DID NOT find an eternal redemption for anyone.

It says He DID. You say He DID NOT.

But Christ having come a High Priest ... but through His own blood, entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having found an eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11a,12)

So you want us to change it from having found an eternal redemption to "NOT having found an eternal redemption" ?

And you say it is "stupid" and "moronic" for me to believe Hebrews 9:12 that Christ FOUND an "eternal redemption"

Three verses latter in Hebrews 9:15 the writer says these saved ones also "might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance".

"And because of this He is the Mediator of a new covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those who have been called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance." (Heb. 9:14)

The "eternal redemption" Christ found leads them to receive the promise of "the eternal inheritance".

You teach that this is not true ?

Or you jump to the conclusion that to believe such is only the excuse of Christians to continue to live in sin ?

@sonship said
@dj2becker

He is certainly determined to defend the indefensible just to try and prove his superiority above the church for some obscure reason. Fascinating indeed.

I don't understand the stubbornness of the man.

It is difficult for cult members to understand the normal thinking people of the outside world. Its a common phenomenon. It is not your fault.