Dawkins vs Pell

Originally posted by FMF
Well I have established that your JW rules constitute discrimination and institutionalized inequality.

Can you state how the exclusion of women from leadership is in keeping with the teachings of Christ?

Its not my assertion of discrimination, its yours, you substantiate it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Anyone who adopts and applies the wisdom of scripture can have a successful
marraige, in contrast to the UK, present, 50/50 chances of success because of secular
liberal teaching and materialistic philosophy.

You made a choice to follow this outdated sexist tripe, take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to palm it off as 'im only following orders' nonsense.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its not my assertion of discrimination, its yours, you substantiate it.

Perhaps you missed one of my posts?

You cannot deny that 'JW elders can only be men'' is an edict that discriminates against women; unless you are using some non-conventional definition of the word "discrimination" that I am not aware of.

You cannot deny that a rule that says 'men may lead but women may not' institutionalizes inequality between those men and women; unless you are using some non-conventional definition of the word "inequality" that is not in common use.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You made a choice to follow this outdated sexist tripe, take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to palm it off as 'im only following orders' nonsense.

Like FMF, you are entitled to think and voice your opinions, one thing is clear, following
the advice of secularists will lead to disaster, applying Biblical principles really is the
course of wisdom as the divorce rates demonstrate. I am not saying Jehovahs
witnesses are immune, but the fact is, your chances of a successful marraige are
enhanced a thousand fold through the application of said principles.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Jehovah's witnesses
did not author the Bible, the qualification for overseers is gender specific and
immutable.

Can you state how the exclusion of women from leadership roles in your organisation is in keeping with the teachings of Christ?

Originally posted by FMF
Perhaps you missed one of my posts?

You cannot deny that [b]'JW elders can only be men'' is an edict that discriminates against women; unless you are using some non-conventional definition of the word "discrimination" that I am not aware of.

You cannot deny that a rule that says 'men may lead but women may not' institutionalizes inequality betw ...[text shortened]... ng some non-conventional definition of the word "inequality" that is not in common use.[/b]

No i have read all of your posts and you are free to voice your opinions as you see fit.

Originally posted by FMF
Can you state how the exclusion of women from leadership roles in your organisation is in keeping with the teachings of Christ?

Its not my assertion, it yours, you substantiate it. Its a Biblical teaching as I have
repeatedly pointed out and immutable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Like FMF, you are entitled to think and voice your opinions, one thing is clear, following
the advice of secularists will lead to disaster...

You seriously believe that women taking on leadership roles in your organisation would "lead to disaster"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its not my assertion, it yours, you substantiate it.

Well, are women excluded from leadership roles - such as being 'elders' - in your organisation? Yes or no?

Originally posted by FMF
You seriously believe that women taking on leadership roles in your organisation would "lead to disaster"?

we are talking of other Biblical principles related to marraige, do try to use your discernment.

Originally posted by FMF
Well, are women excluded from leadership roles - such as being 'elders' - in your organisation? Yes or no?

I have shown you the scripture which details that only men, exclusively men, may be
elders, why there should arise some confusion in your mind, i cannot say.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we are talking of other Biblical principles related to marraige, do try to use your discernment.

So you have moved the goalposts, it seems. Do you think women taking on leadership roles in your organisation would "lead to disaster"?

Originally posted by FMF
So you have moved the goalposts, it seems. Do you think women taking on leadership roles in your organisation would "lead to disaster"?

It cannot happen, nor will it, the qualifications for being an overseer are exclusively
attainable for men, sorry.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have shown you the scripture which details that only men, exclusively men, may be
elders, why there should arise some confusion in your mind, i cannot say.

OK, so that's a "yes" - you concede that they are excluded. Can you now state how this exclusion of women from leadership roles in your organisation is in keeping with the teachings of Christ?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It cannot happen, nor will it, the qualifications for being an overseer are exclusively
attainable for men, sorry.

Do you think women taking on leadership roles in your organisation would "lead to disaster" if it were to happen?