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@divegeester saidBy Himself?
I’m not sure why. I suppose he felt abandoned and sacrificed.
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@divegeester saidAnother way of explaining it is to actually refer to scripture:
Jesus was God’s avatar.
That’s another way of explaining it.
“And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.'” (Matthew 3:16-17)
3 distinct entities interacting with each other.
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@divegeester saidThe Jews were expecting a Messiah. The question is whether Jesus was that Messiah, or merely one more prophet in a long line of prophets. The Jews take the latter interpretation, the Christians take the former one.
There are also inferences in the OT. Isaiah has an obvious one.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidFor unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).
Another way of explaining it is to actually refer to scripture:
“And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.'” (Matthew 3:16-17)
3 distinct entities interacting with each other.
Yes, let’s refer to scripture.
@divegeester saidOf course, people would call Jesus by those names. That prophecy by Isaiah was correct. The Pharisees said he was making himself God therefore blasphemous. Thomas called him God. But the fact remains that Jesus did not claim to be God. Was Jesus lost for words?
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).
Yes, let’s refer to scripture.
Jesus knew he was the Son of God, and that is his rightful position.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat’s because he was, his flesh was a son the same way Adam was a son.
He said it enough times.
@divegeester saidIf you are referring to this,
I’ve twice posted a scripture where Jesus did claim to be God.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? (John 14:9 KJV)
.. then that does not qualify as Jesus claiming to be God. Jesus explained what he meant in the very next verses: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? ... (John 14:10 KJV)
God is in Jesus and Jesus is in God, but still they are two separate and distinct entities.
Also shortly after Jesus said he must go to be with the Father. Clearly Jesus not God, but the Son of God.
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@rajk999 saidWell considering he said he was and that Isaiah said he was, it’s certainly clear to me. It fine if you disagree.
If you are referring to this,
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? (John 14:9 KJV)
.. then that does not qualify as Jesus claiming to be God. Jesus explained what he meant in the very next verses: [i]Believest ...[text shortened]... ortly after Jesus said he must go to be with the Father. Clearly Jesus not God, but the Son of God.