Spirituality
17 Aug 12
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitWell, whether or not she could conceive normally at that age, the fact remains that she did become "with child" and did in fact give birth.
But you're also saying she gave birth at age 12 or 13. The average age of fertility was higher a century or two ago; who knows what it was at ~0 BCE. How can you be so sure Mary was able to conceive at such a young age? What if her age of fertility was higher than average?
I would guess that the age of fertility was actually less then than it is now. When a species' lifespan is shorter, it makes sense to become fertile sooner so that children can be produced as soon as possible within a shorter lifespan. I think the only reason why our fertility has not come later with increasing lifespan is because socially (through exposure to media sources, as well as cultural pressures), humans are encouraged to be sexually precocious, especially females.
20 Aug 12
I wonder if there is a Christian in the world who understands that there is no evidence for Jesus or any of his merry band of hooligans nor can there be otherwise faith is useless. Faith is how the bible tells them to believe. So....any Christians want to provide evidence of Jesus?
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by Phil HillDon't be lazy. Do your own research. We did ours. 😏
I wonder if there is a Christian in the world who understands that there is no evidence for Jesus or any of his merry band of hooligans nor can there be otherwise faith is useless. Faith is how the bible tells them to believe. So....any Christians want to provide evidence of Jesus?
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by SuzianneSure, she gave birth, but you don't have any real justification for assuming that she was 12 or 13 when she did it. She may have been a late bloomer for all we know.
Well, whether or not she could conceive normally at that age, the fact remains that she did become "with child" and did in fact give birth.
I would guess that the age of fertility was actually less then than it is now. When a species' lifespan is shorter, it makes sense to become fertile sooner so that children can be produced as soon as possible within ...[text shortened]... as cultural pressures), humans are encouraged to be sexually precocious, especially females.
And if marrying off your daughter at age 12 isn't encouraging her to be sexually precocious, I don't know what is.
24 Aug 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitIt was merely "the way it was" back then. Low life span means if you're gonna reproduce, you better be on about it, no wasting any time.
Sure, she gave birth, but you don't have any real justification for assuming that she was 12 or 13 when she did it. She may have been a late bloomer for all we know.
And if marrying off your daughter at age 12 isn't encouraging her to be sexually precocious, I don't know what is.
24 Aug 12
Originally posted by SuzianneThat's fine once you have fertility. Really, you just have to take advantage of those years, wherever they may fall. Get in your birthing before you die.
It was merely "the way it was" back then. Low life span means if you're gonna reproduce, you better be on about it, no wasting any time.
I just don't see any indication that they had fertility as young as age 12 at that time. Has anyone researched it?
25 Aug 12
Originally posted by SuzianneOur fertility does come later. The people who are getting pregnant at 13 tend to be members of populations that often die young.
Well, whether or not she could conceive normally at that age, the fact remains that she did become "with child" and did in fact give birth.
I would guess that the age of fertility was actually less then than it is now. When a species' lifespan is shorter, it makes sense to become fertile sooner so that children can be produced as soon as possible within ...[text shortened]... as cultural pressures), humans are encouraged to be sexually precocious, especially females.
25 Aug 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitI don't see any reason to doubt Mary was pregnant by 12 or 13.
That's fine once you have fertility. Really, you just have to take advantage of those years, wherever they may fall. Get in your birthing before you die.
I just don't see any indication that they had fertility as young as age 12 at that time. Has anyone researched it?
25 Aug 12
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThere is no reason to doubt she was pregnant when she didn't sleep with a man? Can you provide another incidence of any woman actually giving birth to a child without being touched by a man? If not, you have plenty of reason to doubt.
I don't see any reason to doubt Mary was pregnant by 12 or 13.
25 Aug 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitThat was because the author of the gospel that first mentioned Nazareth misread Isaiah 11:1 (proving he , she or it didn't know Hebrew worth anything) and thought NETZER (branch) was a town that wasn't settled between 700 BCE and 135 CE.
And I suppose they let 12-year-old couples take cross-country trips alone to register in a census?
Yeah, you have no reason to doubt. 🙄
25 Aug 12
Originally posted by Phil HillKeep working on your research. You will probably get it right eventually. 😏
That was because the author of the gospel that first mentioned Nazareth misread Isaiah 11:1 (proving he , she or it didn't know Hebrew worth anything) and thought NETZER (branch) was a town that wasn't settled between 700 BCE and 135 CE.