Divorced after 25 happy years

@kellyjay said
Blind faith is something that is believed in without a cause or reason.

So how does the term "blind faith" apply to me, in your mind, then?

@kellyjay said
When you insist that what you have come to understand is the truth, then it is you
who are suggesting your opinions are objective truths, and those that disagree with
you are in error.

Don't be so disingenuous, KellyJay. I have stated plainly hundreds of times that your beliefs and my beliefs on these matters are subjective and not objective.

Yes, I think you are mistaken about things like you being immortal or me facing eternal torture.

But for you to claim I am presenting these opinions as "objective truths", after me being crystal clear about them NOT being "objective truths", is just you being dishonest.

@kellyjay said
What about life speaks mindless to you?

I have never referred to life as "mindless". You're just making it up. Indeed, I find anthropomorphizing a creator entity to be rather ludicrous. If you have an example of me using the term "mindless" to refer to the universe in any way, then where or when was it.

@kellyjay said
Your lack of understanding shows;since you can go back to the things I have been saying for years, and you will seethat even if we proclaim the truth about something, it is still us making claims if weare right or wrong.

Just because you may have been asserting beliefs that I do not subscribe to "for years" does not mean I have a "lack of understanding".

@kellyjay said
When you insist that what you have come to understand is the truth, then it is When I apply your so-called objective truths to your past, you get
bent out of shape, you want it both ways.

What "objective truths"? What on Earth are you on about?

@fmf said
I didn't say you did. Don't be so disingenuous.

Then why bring it up when the current topic has nothing to do with it?

@fmf said
So how does the term "blind faith" apply to me, in your mind, then?

Not in my mind, in ours! Reasons for faith, reasons for beliefs, reasons for things
we hold to be true require evidence to give us our worldviews! The difference
between a mindless process and one designed by an agency is one where we can
see a top-down process filled with intention and purpose. While a mindless process
does not build functional complexity improving over time from the bottom up, we
see entropy.

Denying without a cause something that has a cause means we either have a reason
to, or we don't; if we don't, our views on the things we deny are without cause,
therefore blind faith.

Seeing a turtle on a fence post, we know there was intent in getting there, and it
had nothing to do with what the turtle wanted. We see writing on a cave wall that
is not time, chance, and natural processes; writing is symbolic of a message of some
type using the material world to create a message that, by definition, is immaterial.

So the universe has in it both material and immaterial things; the immaterial is
knowledge, understanding, and information; there is meaning and value here. If the
the universe cannot create itself out of anything because it would have to be here to
do the creating then something that transcends the universe and everything in it,
both material and immaterial would have had to make it all.

@kellyjay said
Then why bring it up when the current topic has nothing to do with it?

I didn't say you did and I didn't "bring up" you "wanting people to go to hell". You are being deceitful.

@kellyjay said
Not in my mind, in ours! Reasons for faith, reasons for beliefs, reasons for things
we hold to be true require evidence to give us our worldviews! The difference
between a mindless process and one designed by an agency is one where we can
see a top-down process filled with intention and purpose. While a mindless process
does not build functional complexity improving over ...[text shortened]... ends the universe and everything in it,
both material and immaterial would have had to make it all.

You have typed a lot of stuff. Please don't just regurgitate generic stuff. You are in a conversation with me. You are not blogging. Once again, how does the term "blind faith" apply to me, specifically, in your mind.

@fmf said
You have typed a lot of stuff. Please don't just regurgitate generic stuff. You are in a conversation with me. You are not blogging. Once again, how does the term "blind faith" apply to me, specifically, in your mind.

I've answered you.

@kellyjay said
I've answered you.

If you have done so to your own satisfaction, and don't think - as I do - that you are simply trying to generate a whole bunch of generic waffle to distract from the fact that you are running away from your "blind faith" claim - then so be it.

@fmf said
If you have done so to your own satisfaction, and don't think - as I do - that you are simply trying to generate a whole bunch of generic waffle to distract from the fact that you are running away from your "blind faith" claim - then so be it.

Yep, to my satisfaction, and you can if you want to question my answer; what
about it didn't you like or did like, that is up to you. It is not my problem that you
are too cowardly to speak clearly, so you have to take a broad brush to an answer
without addressing specifics. To say you were not answered is not true; calling what
was said generic waffle is nothing but a distraction from the specifics you disagree
with that you don't want to address head-on.

@kellyjay said
I believe God created the universe; He is not a product of it like all other gods who
had fathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters. So there is no comparison between God
and the gods, none whatsoever.

The creation story was what I was referring to in Genesis, where life was not only
something God made, but He also gave all of the living creatures the ability to
populat ...[text shortened]... isprove any of the beliefs,
they will rise or fall based on do they fit in reality as it is or not?

There is 'no comparison' between your god and other gods only because your god is the one that you believe in.

'....life was all pointing towards a new life.' ? What does that even mean?

'The fact we can all believe in different things doesn't disprove any of the beliefs....' Is about the most sensible thing I've read that you have written, the rest of the sentence makes no sense at all, but when it comes to your writing, we must grasp at such straws as we may.

You state on the one hand that your god is personally responsible for passing on genetic information of all living things from one generation to the next, with no attempt at explanation as to why they make such a pigs' ear of it, and you then state that humankind is in charge of the universe.

Come on, you're an educated person, can you give us one reason why we should take anything that you say seriously? If you are attempting to set yourself up as an ambassador for your inherited beliefs, I suggest that you might consider leaving that to others.

@kellyjay said
It is not my problem that you
are too cowardly to speak clearly, so you have to take a broad brush to an answer
without addressing specifics.

I am "too cowardly"?

@fmf said
I am "too cowardly"?

I'm done talking about you; if you want to continue to talk about me, go for it.
I'll talk about other subjects, but you as a subject no more.