Divorced after 25 happy years

@indonesia-phil said
Oh dear, you must have been on a real downer when you wrote this one....Don't get too hung up on this 'original sin' thing, it can mess with your head, I've seen it happen to people. Life shouldn't be one big guilt trip.

So no answers to any of my questions, then, which comes as no surprise, but did you even think about them? I hoped that we might get into it, but never mind.

Anyway, free your mind, brother, and FFS cheer up, it might never happen....

Well, so far, original anything from you has been missing completely. There is
nothing about how evolution started or how all of life's instructions got there.
Now you seem to think all of the brokenness we see in life is a normal part of it;
no since complaining about all of the wrong, it can be nothing else, there are no
shoulds and should not in life?

The only way there could be guilt is if there are the guilty; now you think all of the
evil things in this life are not something we can point to and say that is wrong; it all
just amoral, nothing to see here?

@divegeester said
Gravity is fully accounted for by science, same as DNA, same as electricity, same as the weather.

You have no idea!

@kellyjay said
You have no idea!

Whoever it is in your church who is feeding you this stuff, you need to stop listening to them because they are causing you to look like an uneducated idiot here.

@kellyjay said
Well, so far, original anything from you has been missing completely. There is
nothing about how evolution started or how all of life's instructions got there.
Now you seem to think all of the brokenness we see in life is a normal part of it;
no since complaining about all of the wrong, it can be nothing else, there are no
shoulds and should not in life?

The only way ...[text shortened]... e are not something we can point to and say that is wrong; it all
just amoral, nothing to see here?

Leaving your first broken record style statement aside, because clearly you haven't been reading/understanding what I've written, we now drift into moral issues, which is an entirely different subject.

'The brokenness we see in life' ? If your life is broken then I'm sorry, my life is anything but, I'm having a gas every day.

Bad stuff happens' in everyone's life, we are none of us immune from the human condition, dealing with it is the trick, it's a skill we learn.

As for the guilt thing, do I frequently despair at 'mans' inhumanity to man' , (although it's an expression that I dislike because it excludes women, but that's the expression) , at all of the injustice, mindless hatred and pointless conflict that goes on? Yep.

Do I kill anybody, rape anybody, steal from anybody, eat too many crisps if I'm sharing a packet of crisps? Nope.

Therefore do I feel personally responsible for or guilty about the general state of humanity? Nope.

Do I believe that I was born into sin? Nope. That's what I'm talking about, I don't need any godhead to provide me with a moral compass, I know what's right and wrong, I don't even covet my neighbours oxen, or whatever your bible says I'm not supposed to do, I don't even particularly like oxen.

@indonesia-phil said
Leaving your first broken record style statement aside, because clearly you haven't been reading/understanding what I've written, we now drift into moral issues, which is an entirely different subject.

'The brokenness we see in life' ? If your life is broken then I'm sorry, my life is anything but, I'm having a gas every day.

Bad stuff happens' in everyone's li ...[text shortened]... bours oxen, or whatever your bible says I'm not supposed to do, I don't even particularly like oxen.

As I pointed out earlier, there is the material and the immaterial they are part of
the whole, which came first, which is the primary, and which is the derivative? It is
not the material world that takes direction from the instructions within it; it
operates within prescribed parameters which we look for; they are the things we
are used to seeing what makes the whole understandable and intelligentable.

When we communicate with each other, we send and receive what we desire the
other to know, and when we look at things like writing, it too speaks to intelligence.
From all of the fine-tuning to the instruction sets in life, the whole universe is
evidence of a great mind, not the end product of a mindless, soulless universe.

@kellyjay said
From all of the fine-tuning to the instruction sets in life, the whole universe is
evidence of a great mind, not the end product of a mindless, soulless universe.

We can only speculate about this kind of stuff.

What's more interesting is how you extrapolate from your belief that "the whole universe is evidence of a great mind" and reach the conclusion that you are immortal.

That is the more interesting spirituality-related topic than your unwillingness to concede that none of us knows what the origin of the universe is.

@fmf said
..none of us knows what the origin of the universe is.

"In the beginning God created".

That's the origin of the universe and everything in it.

@josephw said
"In the beginning God created".

That's the origin of the universe and everything in it.

Thanks for your input.

You're like someone who cheers for a sports team.

@fmf said
We can only speculate about this kind of stuff.

What's more interesting is how you extrapolate from your belief that "the whole universe is evidence of a great mind" and reach the conclusion that you are immortal.

That is the more interesting spirituality-related topic than your unwillingness to concede that none of us knows what the origin of the universe is.

You have to add to what I said to make your point; where did I say because
of this, I'm immortal? We can only speculate about this stuff; well, some of us do,
and others like saying they don't know and don't go beyond that.

I believed God started it all; do you find that shocking? I believe all of the
explanations while talking about the beginning is the one that is the most
reasonable, and none at least in my whole life have not seen have one an
explanation that is not supernatural at its heart.

@josephw said
"In the beginning God created".

That's the origin of the universe and everything in it.

What about the book of John?

@kellyjay said
You have to add to what I said to make your point; where did I say because
of this, I'm immortal?

Don't be so disingenuous, KellyJay. I am not "adding" to what you have said hundreds of times.

@kellyjay said
I believed God started it all; do you find that shocking? I believe all of the
explanations while talking about the beginning is the one that is the most
reasonable, and none at least in my whole life have not seen have one an
explanation that is not supernatural at its heart.

What's more interesting is how you extrapolate from your belief [that "the whole universe is evidence of a great mind"] and reach the conclusion that you are immortal.

@fmf said
Don't be so disingenuous, KellyJay. I am not "adding" to what you have said hundreds of times.

I say things in context in this conversation; where have I brought up being immortal?

@fmf said
What's more interesting is how you extrapolate from your belief [that "the whole universe is evidence of a great mind"] and reach the conclusion that you are immortal.

The only interesting thing about your latest is how nothing you said matters to the
current conversation, yet you are attempting to make it the main point.

@kellyjay said
I say things in context in this conversation; where have I brought up being immortal?

I have brought it up.