Do your beliefs agree with the Bible?

Originally posted by menace71
G-Man do your beliefs agree with what is written in the scriptures ?



Manny

Completely or I wouldn't be a JW.

Originally posted by divegeester
Only the bit where it says:

"I sayeth unto thee, ye must become member of the Jehovah's Witness organisation in order to go to heaven"

Everything else I'm pretty good with.

Neither does it say Cathoilic, Baptist, etc. So what's your point?

Originally posted by galveston75
Neither does it say Cathoilic, Baptist, etc. So what's your point?

My overt point is that a person does not need to be a member of the Jehovah's Witness organisation in order to be saved; neither to they need to be a Baptist. It's not explicitly called out in scripture and if it was a necessity it would be.

My subliminal point is that your organisation does believe that a person must be a member on it's list as a requisite to being saved. And so do you Galveston, although getting you to admit it is like puling teeth because you have been coached not to explicitly say so.

Originally posted by galveston75
Completely or I wouldn't be a JW.

So.......then if not a JW ? Does that mean only a JW's beliefs line up with the bible?



Manny

Originally posted by menace71
So.......then if not a JW ? Does that mean only a JW's beliefs line up with the bible?



Manny

From what the Bible says on many things, yes.

One example and it's an easy one, the Bible by the words of Jesus himself says his followers are to be no part of the world. We are to pay our taxes and obey the basic laws of this country.
So you have ones that in a second would fight for his country no matter who the other country is, and would kill for his country. We all know RJH would do that and in fact condemns those who wouldn't. And most so called religions here in this country do indeed back up their country and will send their young men and women off to kill or be killed.
So you know our stand on this and I beleive you showed some respect for that.
But yet we will not under any circumstances kill for this or any other country.
So on just this one point would you, Manny, agree that we have it right or does RJH with his and others decisions on killing for their country?
One cannot do it both ways, either you obey God's laws or you don't.
So how do you feel about this one simple belief? Are we wrong?

Originally posted by menace71
So.......then if not a JW ? Does that mean only a JW's beliefs line up with the bible?



Manny

Why do you think Galveston avoids giving straight answers to these questions? You'll notice he avoids responding to the points in my post above also.

Originally posted by galveston75
From what the Bible says on many things, yes.

One example and it's an easy one, the Bible by the words of Jesus himself says his followers are to be no part of the world. We are to pay our taxes and obey the basic laws of this country.
So you have ones that in a second would fight for his country no matter who the other country is, and would kill f ...[text shortened]... ey God's laws or you don't.
So how do you feel about this one simple belief? Are we wrong?

We know of course that what the JW organisation believes and teaches is that it is the only organisation who's beliefs align with the Bible, which makes your OP somewhat of leading question and quite disingenuous of you.

As Suzianne once put it, every time you make an OP, we are all just waiting for the other (JW) shoe to drop.

Originally posted by galveston75
From what the Bible says on many things, yes.

One example and it's an easy one, the Bible by the words of Jesus himself says his followers are to be no part of the world. We are to pay our taxes and obey the basic laws of this country.
So you have ones that in a second would fight for his country no matter who the other country is, and would kill f ...[text shortened]... ey God's laws or you don't.
So how do you feel about this one simple belief? Are we wrong?

Well I am glad that the founders of this country were not JW's when they fought for independence from the British.

Originally posted by divegeester
Why do you think Galveston avoids giving straight answers to these questions? You'll notice he avoids responding to the points in my post above also.

Not sure LOL


Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
From what the Bible says on many things, yes.

One example and it's an easy one, the Bible by the words of Jesus himself says his followers are to be no part of the world. We are to pay our taxes and obey the basic laws of this country.
So you have ones that in a second would fight for his country no matter who the other country is, and would kill f ...[text shortened]... ey God's laws or you don't.
So how do you feel about this one simple belief? Are we wrong?

I think RJ is overboard and writes a lot of what he writes for shock value. That being said I think there is a time and place for everything under the sun. I think war and killing and defending oneself should be the last last resort and specially for the Christian. My views on that are changing a bit I'm not the war monger you and R.C. may have painted me to be. I do feel God comes before country even. However Jesus said give to Cesar(Government) what is Cesar's and to God what is God's. However what the bible says on many things should be ALL things if you are truly confident in the WTS and being a Jehovah's Witness. I just don't buy or believe that the Jehovah's are Gods one and only people on this earth. Paul the Apostle was not of this world (after His Conversion) He was born again or literally born from above. Yet He was not afraid to live in this world big difference. Not to be afraid of the world as Christians are to be in the world as ambassadors to the world.

Manny

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Well I am glad that the founders of this country were not JW's when they fought for independence from the British.

yeah, they were deists or atheists.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
yeah, they were deists or atheists.

Sometimes deists appear to be atheist because some of them are against organized religion.

Originally posted by menace71
I think RJ is overboard and writes a lot of what he writes for shock value. That being said I think there is a time and place for everything under the sun. I think war and killing and defending oneself should be the last last resort and specially for the Christian. My views on that are changing a bit I'm not the war monger you and R.C. may have painted me t ...[text shortened]... d of the world as Christians are to be in the world as ambassadors to the world.

Manny

Manny, I find that I agree with you more often than not. Way more, actually.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Manny, I find that I agree with you more often than not. Way more, actually.

Thanks I have my moments but balance in most things I strive for 😉


Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
One cannot do it both ways, either you obey God's laws or you don't.

Logically, this must be false. Suppose a god has 3 laws, and a person always obeys the first 2, but always disobeys the last one. In this hypothetical, the person indeed has it both ways.