14 Feb 15
Originally posted by RJHindsOriginally posted by RJHinds
So why do you post all this crap from a cult? Why don't you leave that matter in God's hand?
So why do you post all this crap from a cult? Why don't you leave that matter in God's hand?
"from a cult"? The entire creation of human life has been in His hands long before you and I and our ancestors were born.
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThat seem like a politicians answer. Not exactly a clear yes, but I think it is close enough to a yes. So my guess is that you are a liberal Democrat in political view on this subject, at least.
Human life begins at birth, not conception; biological life exists in a fetus [with reflex motility and a format soul] which becomes a living human being when soul/physical life is imparted to the viable fetus by God the Holy Spirit when the fetus emerges from the womb at birth. Abortion's a decision between a patient and her doctor and the state in la ...[text shortened]... issue, civil disobedience against the practice of abortion is not authorized by the Word of God.
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBut some of this material you have been posting glues me in that it is from a cultic point of view and not from an orthodox Christian viewpoint.
Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]So why do you post all this crap from a cult? Why don't you leave that matter in God's hand?
"from a cult"? The entire creation of human life has been in His hands long before you and I and our ancestors were born.[/b]
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by RJHindsGrampy Bobby has difficulty relating to people who are not sitting at his feet.
That seem like a politicians answer. Not exactly a clear yes, but I think it is close enough to a yes. So my guess is that you are a liberal Democrat in political view on this subject, at least.
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyCreation for me seems like the only logical answer for everything.
[quote][b]Doctrine of Creation (Genesis 1:1-2:25) August 25, 2011
When examining the creation of the universe, which includes planet earth, we will consider only what the Bible says about these events. It is not my intention to delve into scientific data or attempt to disprove the theory of evolution. If a person believes the Bible, he cannot ...[text shortened]... ose of you with inquiring minds will enjoy and benefit from this definitive account of creation.[/b]
I don't believe that everything came from nothing.
That right out of the starting block for me suggests that something or
someone has to be eternal. Since our universe is winding down ever so
slowing from everything I have heard suggests that it isn't eternal, it
had a beginning. We date it even if we disagree on how long the universe
has been here we still agree it had a beginning at some point in time.
I tend to think life shows us someone with a plan and purpose is behind
all of the universe since it takes the whole thing to support life from the
grand pieces as stars and planets down to the subatomic levels. So many
things have to be properly setup or it does not happen, to much of this
or to little of that and all bets are off.
If life requires specific material and they are not here, no life.
If life requires specific amounts of said material and those are not present,
no life.
If life requires specific amounts of material, all must get put together in a
specific manner, and that doesn't happen no life.
If life requires....and the list goes on.
There are so many things that have to be met and maintain it isn't funny.
Yet some still believe it could happen without effort by chance given an
endless amount of time that isn't present by most accounts.
I believe in the scripture Grampy Bobby is presenting, even if the two of us
disagree on its meaning we believe the truth is found there.
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDoctrine of Creation of Adam and Eve (Genesis 1:26-2:25) August 25, 2011
Conclusion
God is the creator of our original parents, Adam and Eve. In their cases God created biological life and soul life simultaneously, creating human life. God still creates human life, by creating the soul of mankind and imparting it to biological life ...[text shortened]... Christian Way of Life. (Part 3 of 3)
http://gracebiblechurchwichita.org/?page_id=1579
Doctrine of Human Spirit (See also the Doctrine of Spiritual Metabolism.) July 18, 2010
A. Definition.
1. The human spirit is the immaterial part of man designed by God to convert, to store, and to utilize spiritual phenomena. The human spirit receives spiritual information which the Holy Spirit converts into gnosis (knowledge).
2. Information may come into the left lobe of the soul of man as NOEO, meaning imagination type thinking, or PHRONEO, meaning objective thinking, or DOKEO, meaning subjective thinking. The function of the human spirit is to make the spiritual phenomena it receives understandable to the left lobe of the soul.
3. Then the Holy Spirit converts gnosis information that is believed by the believer into epignosis. Epignosis doctrine can then be processed by the various areas of the right lobe of the soul. This will not happen without positive volition toward that epignosis. The steps in this process are as follows.
a. Spiritual information is taught in some manner.
b. The believer must have both positive volition and concentration on what is taught.
c. The Holy Spirit transfers this spiritual information to the human spirit where it becomes spiritual phenomena.
d. The Holy Spirit transfers this spiritual phenomena to the left lobe of the soul where it becomes gnosis.
e. Faith or belief by the believer causes the Holy Spirit to convert gnosis to epignosis and transfer it to the right lobe.
f. Application of epignosis produces wisdom.
4. In the original creation of man the human spirit was received along with the human soul when man received the “breath of lives,” Gen 2:7.
B. Trichotomy and Dichotomy.
1. Original man was created trichotomous, Gen 2:7. He had a body, soul, and spirit.
2. As a result of the Fall, both Adam and the woman became dichotomous, having body and soul. They immediately suffered spiritual death, Rom 5:12. Spiritual death includes the destruction or death of the human spirit. The human spirit was lost and they acquired an old sin nature. As a result, their progeny, the human race, are always physically born dichotomous, having no human spirit.
3. The unbeliever is born in the line of Adam with a genetically formed old sin nature passed down through the man in procreation. He receives the imputation of Adam’s sin directly at physical birth.
4. 1 Cor 2:14 describes all the human race as PSUCHIKOS, meaning soulish. The verse says, “The soulish man cannot understand the things of the spirit of God; they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are discerned by the human spirit.”
5. Jude 19, “These [unbelievers] are the ones who cause divisions, soulish, not having a human spirit.”
6. When anyone believes in Christ, the omnipotence of the Spirit restores the status quo of trichotomy (Adam before the fall), i.e., in regeneration, the Holy Spirit creates a human spirit for the imputation of eternal life.
7. Therefore the believer receives the human spirit at the same time he receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Both the human spirit and the Holy Spirit are necessary for the function of GAP (the grace apparatus for perception).
8. 1 Thes 5:23, “Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely, and may your spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
9. The human spirit is taught in several places.
a. Job 32:8, “But it is the spirit in man [believer] and the Spirit of the Almighty that gives perception.”
b. Phile 25, “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.”
c. The human spirit of Titus is mentioned specifically in 2 Cor 7:13. “For this reason, we have been comforted, and in addition to our comfort, we have rejoiced, even much more, for the joy of Titus, because his spirit has been refreshed by all of you.”
d. Heb 4:12, “The Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder between the soul and the spirit . . .”
10. The unbeliever is dichotomous; the believer is trichotomous.
C. Perception occurs by the functions of the two spirits, 1 Cor 2:12 16.
“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with a spiritual apparatus. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man. For who has known the mind of the Lord that he should instruct him? But we have the mind [thinking] of Christ.”
D. The reality of spiritual phenomena resides in the two spirits
Rom 8:16. “The Spirit teaches our spirit [human]…” The Holy Spirit is the teacher of Bible doctrine, Jn 14:26, 16:12 16; 1 Jn 2:27; 1 Cor 2:9 16. The human spirit is the target for Bible doctrine. It dispenses Bible doctrine to the right lobe of the soul. It determines what things go into the construction of the edification complex of the soul, Eph 4:20 24.
E. The Storage of Bible Doctrine in the Human Spirit.
1. The human spirit is the area of refreshment, 2 Cor 7:13.
2. Bible doctrine is stored in the human spirit as the basis of all grace orientation, James 1; Phile 25. The “doer of the word” is the believer who converts gnosis into epignosis.
3. Spiritual IQ is related to doctrine stored in the human spirit, Job 32:8; Rom 8:16.
4. The human spirit is designed to store and distribute categorical doctrine, Eph 3:18 19.
5. The unbeliever has no human spirit. Therefore, God the Holy Spirit must act as a human spirit for the comprehension of the Gospel. Gen 6:3; Jn 16:8 11; 1 Cor 2:14 15.
http://gracebiblechurchwichita.org/?page_id=181
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby[/b]The danger of cults is they provide truth mixed with error in varying degrees.[b]Doctrine of Human Spirit(See also the Doctrine of Spiritual Metabolism.) July 18, 2010
A. Definition.
1. The human spirit is the immaterial part of man designed by God to convert, to store, and to utilize spiritual phenomena. The human spirit receives spiritual information which the Holy Spirit converts into gnosis (knowl ...[text shortened]... Gen 6:3; Jn 16:8 11; 1 Cor 2:14 15.
http://gracebiblechurchwichita.org/?page_id=181
14 Feb 15
1 edit
Doctrine of Importance of Application of Bible Doctrine July 25, 2011
A. Introduction.
1. There are three ways in which believers reject Bible doctrine.
a. Refusing to hear the teaching of the Word of God on a consistent basis from their right Pastor Teacher.
b. Hearing the teaching of Bible doctrine but refusing to metabolize it; hence, the failure to convert GNOSIS into EPIGNOSIS.
c. Metabolizing doctrine so that it exists in the heart of your soul’s stream of consciousness, yet the doctrine becomes unusable, blocked out or over run with Cosmic viewpoint, or there is a lack of faith rest on the application side.
2. When the believer, under one or more of these three conditions, has rejected Bible doctrine, two things happen.
a. There is the accumulation of scar tissue formed in the six compartments of heart. This means that soon the things you have learned are forgotten or set aside, so that when stress and adversity occurs you fall flat on your face.
b. Dissociation occurs resulting in the accumulation of garbage in the subconscious resulting in Cosmic viewpoint. This means you remove yourself from the application of Bible doctrine and the spiritual life.
3. When a believer has too much garbage in the subconscious and maximum scar tissue of the soul, that believer is extremely vulnerable to the functions of his sin nature, and he enters into a state of confusion. This state of confusion overflows from Cosmos Diabolicus, so that the thinking of the believer involved can not be distinguished from the thinking of the human viewpoint of the unbeliever. Such believers add the emotional complex of sins plus the arrogance complex of sins to their state of confusion.
4. Confusion demands concentration. If you have not been concentrating under the filling of the Spirit in Bible class, do not expect to be able to concentrate when faced with the confusion created by Satan’s Cosmic Systems. A thought can make or break you. What you really are is what you think, Prov 23:7.
B. Application of B.D. is Necessary to Overcome the Confusion of Satan’s Cosmic System. Confusion is a feeling that you do not understand something or cannot decide what to do. It is a situation in which things are messy, badly organized, or not clear. It is mistaking one thing for another.
1. The environment of confusion causes stress. If there is confusion in some area of life (the home, romance, friendship), then there is stress in that area. A thought can make or break you; Gal 6:3.
2. Confusion demands concentration; bringing reality from Bible doctrine into the stream of consciousness.
3. Your soul is a spiritual battlefield. What you think determines whether you are winning or losing; Eph 4:23.
4. You must learn Bible doctrine before you can think Bible doctrine. You can not think what you do not know.
Phil 2:5, “Keep on having this mental attitude in you which was also in Christ Jesus.”
5. Thinking of yourself in terms of arrogance is confusion of mind, which matches the confusion of life without Bible doctrine.
1 Cor 10:12, “Therefore, let him who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall.”
6. Therefore, we have the Divine mandate of Rom 12:2-3.
Rom 12:2-3, “Stop being conformed to this world but be transformed by the renovation of your thinking, that you may prove what the will of god is, namely the divine good production, the well pleasing to God, the mature status quo. For I say through the grace which has been given to me to every one who is among you, stop thinking of yourself in terms of arrogance beyond what you ought to think, but think in terms of sanity for the purpose of being rational without illusion as God has assigned to each one of us a standard of thinking from doctrine.”
a. Stop being conformed to this world means to stop being in a state of confusion. The world thinks human viewpoint which causes confusion.
Phil 3:15-16, “Therefore, as many as are mature believers, continue objective thinking. Furthermore, if you have a different mental attitude in something God will reveal that to you. 16 However, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained.”
7. Concentration on Bible doctrine in time of stress and confusion is mandated.
Col 3:2, “Keep thinking objectively about things above (Divine viewpoint) and not about things on the earth (human viewpoint).” http://gracebiblechurchwichita.org/?page_id=1483 (1 of 3)
Index: Doctrine of Creation (Genesis 1:1-2:25) August 25, 2011 (Page 1); Doctrine of Creation of Adam and Eve (Page 3); The Origin of the Soul (Page 3); Doctrine of Human Spirit (Page 4)
14 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[quote][b]Doctrine of Importance of Application of Bible Doctrine July 25, 2011
A. Introduction.
1. There are three ways in which believers reject Bible doctrine.
a. Refusing to hear the teaching of the Word of God on a consistent basis from their right Pastor Teacher.
b. Hearing the teaching of Bible doctrine but refusing to meta ...[text shortened]... ion of Adam and Eve (Page 3); The Origin of the Soul (Page 3); Doctrine of Human Spirit (Page 4)[/b]
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars...
1 Timothy 4:1-2
Some come to believe the erroneous teachings and doctrines of man and demons over the true teachings and doctrines of God.
Satan is the mastermind behind the deception to deceive the whole world from the beginning of creation with his first deception of Eve that God is a liar with his doctrines that the soul can not die and that man can be as wise as God. These deceptions have continued in these latter times with the so-called science of evolutionary big bang cosmology requiring long ages and the evolution of life from chemical molecules to man by chance happenings over long periods of time. This has led some believers to look for teachings that tickle their ears and reconciles so-called science with the words of holy scripture.
However, if one follows erroneous teachings and demonic doctrines it is to their own peril.
15 Feb 15
1 edit
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[quote]Doctrine of Importance of Application of Bible Doctrine July 25, 2011
A. Introduction.
1. There are three ways in which believers reject Bible doctrine.
a. Refusing to hear the teaching of the Word of God on a consistent basis from their right Pastor Teacher.
b. Hearing the teaching of Bible doctrine but refusing to metabol ...[text shortened]... reation of Adam and Eve (Page 3); The Origin of the Soul (Page 3); Doctrine of Human Spirit (Page 4)
Doctrine of Importance of Application of Bible Doctrine July 25, 2011
C. Application of B.D. is Necessary to Overcome when dealing with Cosmic Believers.
1. When believers have too much garbage in the subconscious and when believers have maximum scar tissue of the soul, there is nothing you can do to satisfy them.
2. From the emotional complex of sins, such a believer may become irrational and confused.
3. From the arrogance complex of sins, such a believer becomes bitter and implacable, jealous and vindictive, and self-righteous. There is nothing you can do to please them.
4. Implacable believers must be treated in grace. You can not argue with an irrational person.
5. Beware that you do not lose your own integrity or spiritual strength in interacting with such persons. Do not let people with mental attitude and verbal sins drag you down with them.
6. This is where three factors in your life must synchronize.
a. You must have the foundation of humility. When you are criticized, there is always something you can learn from it, but you must have humility.
b. You must have the professionalism of understanding the mechanics of God’s will, plan, and purpose for your life, as well as the 10 Problem Solving Devices.
c. You must have the spiritual strength to use the shield of faith, Eph 6, (the faith-rest drill) in the environment of confusion and disaster. This is your integrity and it comes from inculcation of Bible doctrine.
7. Implacable believers can only be treated by you in grace; for only God can deal with implacable believers. Therefore, the importance of leaving them in the Lord’s hands. Compare 2 Cor 1:12; Heb 13:18; 1 Thes 2:10-12; 2 Tim 3:1-16 with Rom 12:9-21.
D. Application of B.D. means Awareness
1. Awareness denotes the status of being mentally alert from heightened perception of doctrine, resulting in the motivation to learn and to use the ten problem solving devices of the protocol plan of God for the Church. In eternity past, God has provided the perfect solution to every problem in life. We have a choice between God’s solutions or man’s solutions. Man’s solutions end up in disaster.
2. Awareness is both motivation to learn followed by persistent perception of doctrine. This includes motivation to learn the Problem Solving Devices (PSD), including the perceptive power to utilize these PSDs as circumstances dictate.
3. Awareness connotes a wide knowledge, accurate interpretive ability, and vigilant application. This interpretive ability belongs to you as a believer as you accumulate metabolized doctrine in your own heart (stream of consciousness).... http://gracebiblechurchwichita.org/?page_id=1483 (2 of 3)
Index: Doctrine of Creation (Genesis 1:1-2:25) August 25, 2011 (Page 1); Doctrine of Creation of Adam and Eve (Page 3); The Origin of the Soul (Page 3); Doctrine of Human Spirit (Page 4)
16 Feb 15
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[quote]Doctrine of Importance of Application of Bible Doctrine July 25, 2011
A. Introduction.
1. There are three ways in which believers reject Bible doctrine.
a. Refusing to hear the teaching of the Word of God on a consistent basis from their right Pastor Teacher.
b. Hearing the teaching of Bible doctrine but refusing to metabol ...[text shortened]... reation of Adam and Eve (Page 3); The Origin of the Soul (Page 3); Doctrine of Human Spirit (Page 4)
Doctrine of Importance of Application of Bible Doctrine July 25, 2011
C. Application of B.D. is Necessary to Overcome when dealing with Cosmic Believers.
1. When believers have too much garbage in the subconscious and when believers have maximum scar tissue of the soul, there is nothing you can do to satisfy them.
2. From the emotional complex of sins, such a believer may become irrational and confused.
3. From the arrogance complex of sins, such a believer becomes bitter and implacable, jealous and vindictive, and self-righteous. There is nothing you can do to please them.
4. Implacable believers must be treated in grace. You can not argue with an irrational person.
5. Beware that you do not lose your own integrity or spiritual strength in interacting with such persons. Do not let people with mental attitude and verbal sins drag you down with them.
6. This is where three factors in your life must synchronize.
a. You must have the foundation of humility. When you are criticized, there is always something you can learn from it, but you must have humility.
b. You must have the professionalism of understanding the mechanics of God’s will, plan, and purpose for your life, as well as the 10 Problem Solving Devices.
c. You must have the spiritual strength to use the shield of faith, Eph 6, (the faith-rest drill) in the environment of confusion and disaster. This is your integrity and it comes from inculcation of Bible doctrine.
7. Implacable believers can only be treated by you in grace; for only God can deal with implacable believers. Therefore, the importance of leaving them in the Lord’s hands. Compare 2 Cor 1:12; Heb 13:18; 1 Thes 2:10-12; 2 Tim 3:1-16 with Rom 12:9-21. http://gracebiblechurchwichita.org/?page_id=1483 (2 of 3)
Index: Doctrine of Creation (Genesis 1:1-2:25) August 25, 2011 (Page 1); Doctrine of Creation of Adam and Eve (Page 3); The Origin of the Soul (Page 3); Doctrine of Human Spirit (Page 4)