Does God have the right to kill?

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you cannot grasp those answers me explaining them to you will not help.
Kelly

I think you are right. Your explanations are unintelligible.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I think you are right. Your explanations are unintelligible.

Then Job arose, tore his robe, and shaved his head; and he fell to the ground and worshiped. And he said:


“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
And naked shall I return there.
The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.”

In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong.

(Job 1:20-22 NKJV)

The Instructor

Originally posted by LemonJello

Why don't you stop being to damn condescending and just have a
conversation?

Sorry you found it condescending. Anyway, I thought we were already having a conversation.

It is the most important question in this discussion that has
nothing at all to do with the hypothetical!

But this discussion is, at bottom, about ...[text shortened]... s to do with consideration of reasons that would serve as legitimizers for the actions at issue.

"Sorry you found it condescending. Anyway, I thought we were already having a conversation. "

Sorry I got bent out of shape!
Kelly

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I gave you one which totally fit the bill.

You blanched at every aspect of it with Monday morning armchair proficiency. I can think of 100 ways the folks around JFK could have kept him from being killed, and yet he's still dead. So either I am waaaay smarter than all of those folks, I have information they don't have, or--- and this is definitely high on the list of possibilities--- there are factors I am simply not considering.

No, you provided one scenario that I think patently fails to meet the criteria you yourself laid out. I explained in some detail why I think that it fails. With which part of my explanation do you take issue?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You are stalling. Is there anyone you can think of throughout history that is deserving of death?

Instead of asking me irrelevant questions, you could try simply addressing the topic of this thread. Got any reasons in virtue of which God would be justified in His sanctioning genocide? I cannot think of any...ok, now your turn....

Originally posted by KellyJay
We don't see the universe as God does, He isn't limited as we are, and if
He makes a judgment call with what He knows and you don't, like you
said, alrighty then, or so be it.
Kelly

Sure, there must be good reasons for God's sanctioning genocide and the like. And we're just not bright enough to understand them....🙄🙄

Originally posted by LemonJello
No, you provided one scenario that I think patently fails to meet the criteria you yourself laid out. I explained in some detail why I think that it fails. With which part of my explanation do you take issue?

Perhaps it's not intelligence that keeps you from seeing things as plainly as you declare.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Perhaps it's not intelligence that keeps you from seeing things as plainly as you declare.

I repeat: with which part of my explanation do you take issue?

I responded in actual substance to your scenario. I presented actual reasons why I think it fails. I don't think it is too much to ask you to respond in substance to me as well. Otherwise, I'll not waste more time here.

Originally posted by LemonJello
Sure, there must be good reasons for God's sanctioning genocide and the like. And we're just not bright enough to understand them....🙄🙄

God sanctions all death, He was the one that said we would die, and has
set the limits for us. So for Him to end one or millions, it is up to Him.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
God sanctions all death, He was the one that said we would die, and has
set the limits for us. So for Him to end one or millions, it is up to Him.
Kelly

You are confusing gods ability and power to kill with moral justification for doing so.

So in your theology god gave us all our expiry dates and is the reason that each of
us must die, and can actively kill us at any time...

But what you are being asked for* is an argument for why your god would be morally
justified in doing so.



*as I am reading this conversation, I apologise if I am wrong.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You are confusing gods ability and power to kill with moral justification for doing so.

So in your theology god gave us all our expiry dates and is the reason that each of
us must die, and can actively kill us at any time...

But what you are being asked for* is an argument for why your god would be morally
justified in doing so.



*as I am reading this conversation, I apologise if I am wrong.

Moral justification? Seriously, who among us can hold God to any standard
we would put on him? He isn't like us, and we cannot even hold ourselves
to the same standard, we are always changing our standards we hold to
ourselves to over time, not to mention location. Who gets to create a
standard of morals that can hold all men too everywhere? I imagine doing
that would simply cause conflict due to people rejecting someone attempting
to do that.

In my theology God gives us life and takes it away, He promotes us and
puts us down, all we have comes from God, He sustains us and all things.
I would not even be over concern about what happen in the OT, what is
predicted in the NT is far worse in scope. You should read the book of
Revelation far worse than anything that occurred in the OT with maybe
the exception of the great flood is coming.
Kelly

Originally posted by galveston75
This subject comes up from time to time with many comments about God taking life in the past of seemingly innocent ones.
I know some here express anger and even hatred to a God that would do this.
Any thoughts as to why he did this and could still possibly do it again?

There are two thoughts that i'm thinking of.

!st, God does not have the right to murder as He is under the same Law that He gave to Moses, and then Jesus to Peter. Something to be grasped at!

The other thought, if killing means allowing people to perish because of their sins, or allowing atrosities to take place (man's free will). I think there need to be an example.?

Originally posted by googlefudge
You are confusing gods ability and power to kill with moral justification for doing so.

So in your theology god gave us all our expiry dates and is the reason that each of
us must die, and can actively kill us at any time...

But what you are being asked for* is an argument for why your god would be morally
justified in doing so.



*as I am reading this conversation, I apologise if I am wrong.

A human judge can sentence a person to death due to the laws that were
broken, so the King of the Universe can sentence any group due to them
breaking any of His laws. It is His right to rule as He sees fit.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Moral justification? Seriously, who among us can hold God to any standard
we would put on him? He isn't like us, and we cannot even hold ourselves
to the same standard, we are always changing our standards we hold to
ourselves to over time, not to mention location. Who gets to create a
standard of morals that can hold all men too everywhere? I imagine d ...[text shortened]... anything that occurred in the OT with maybe
the exception of the great flood is coming.
Kelly

Holding God to standards. Well no i don't do that. It is God himself that freely limits Himself to the Laws. Jesus tells Peter to make the laws, and that He, God will abide by them.

It is in the Laws of Moses, and the Laws of Peter that the Laws of God abides.

As for Revelations, yes great are the moments that are happening, and greater yet, those that are to come. But Greater yet is the Holy Spirit, and all It will accomplish through you, Kelly. You will not fear what is to come, but rejoice in the Lord.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Your interpretation of the OP and subsequent debate is very narrow-minded.

If we were debating "Did Hitler have the right to kill millions of Jews" would you really be replying with "Of course he did because he was the law" ??

Surely the debate is about your god's morality (from a human perspective since that is the only one we have)!

For KellyJays benefit.