Does God have the right to kill?

Originally posted by LemonJello
No, the question here is the following. For God's actions of directing and sanctioning mass killing, genocide, and the like (as described under literal interpretation of your divine accounts), can we think of any reasons that would serve as justifiers for these actions? Clearly, you have no substantive input here (except to say that such things will be divulged to you, supposedly, on judgment day). So, alrighty then....

Not fair, LJ.

You were given a pretty straight-forward scenario (regardless of contemporary plausibility) wherein you dismissed each and every tree until there was no more forest.

Any one can imagine all manner of exceptions and hindsight resolves. Real time life-and-death situations aren't so easily and neatly resolved.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Not fair, LJ.

You were given a pretty straight-forward scenario (regardless of contemporary plausibility) wherein you dismissed each and every tree until there was no more forest.

Any one can imagine all manner of exceptions and hindsight resolves. Real time life-and-death situations aren't so easily and neatly resolved.

Have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

By the way, have you come up with a scenario yet? One that actually meets the criteria you laid out?

Originally posted by KellyJay
.. it is His call. ....
Kelly

Your interpretation of the OP and subsequent debate is very narrow-minded.

If we were debating "Did Hitler have the right to kill millions of Jews" would you really be replying with "Of course he did because he was the law" ??

Surely the debate is about your god's morality (from a human perspective since that is the only one we have)!

Originally posted by LemonJello
Have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

By the way, have you come up with a scenario yet? One that actually meets the criteria you laid out?

I gave you one which totally fit the bill.

You blanched at every aspect of it with Monday morning armchair proficiency. I can think of 100 ways the folks around JFK could have kept him from being killed, and yet he's still dead. So either I am waaaay smarter than all of those folks, I have information they don't have, or--- and this is definitely high on the list of possibilities--- there are factors I am simply not considering.

Originally posted by LemonJello
Have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

By the way, have you come up with a scenario yet? One that actually meets the criteria you laid out?

You are stalling. Is there anyone you can think of throughout history that is deserving of death?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Your interpretation of the OP and subsequent debate is very narrow-minded.

If we were debating "Did Hitler have the right to kill millions of Jews" would you really be replying with "Of course he did because he was the law" ??

Surely the debate is about your god's morality (from a human perspective since that is the only one we have)!

Did Hitler setup life, did he give life to everyone he killed, I believe the
answers are, no, and no.
Kelly

Originally posted by LemonJello
No, the question here is the following. For God's actions of directing and sanctioning mass killing, genocide, and the like (as described under literal interpretation of your divine accounts), can we think of any reasons that would serve as justifiers for these actions? Clearly, you have no substantive input here (except to say that such things will be divulged to you, supposedly, on judgment day). So, alrighty then....

We don't see the universe as God does, He isn't limited as we are, and if
He makes a judgment call with what He knows and you don't, like you
said, alrighty then, or so be it.
Kelly

Originally posted by galveston75
This subject comes up from time to time with many comments about God taking life in the past of seemingly innocent ones.
I know some here express anger and even hatred to a God that would do this.
Any thoughts as to why he did this and could still possibly do it again?

I would reckon that a being that has the ability to give life, eternal life, and ressurect those even after death as being morally exempt from taking life, it doesn't mean the same thing to a being who can just give it right back whenever he wants.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Did Hitler setup life, did he give life to everyone he killed, I believe the
answers are, no, and no.
Kelly

If you use an analogy you must be prepared for it to be used against you.

Are you now saying your analogy is useless? Have we wasted two pages discussing your useless analogy?

What exactly are you saying? (Do you know?)

Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
... a being that has the ability to give life, eternal life, and ressurect those even after death as being morally exempt from taking life,.

.. morally exempt ... 🙄

How does power - no matter how great - morally exempt anyone from their actions?

Originally posted by KellyJay
We don't see the universe as God does, Kelly

OK so he sees it differently.

1. How differently?
and
2. How do you know?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
OK so he sees it differently.

1. How differently?
and
2. How do you know?

1. Well He sees it all, at the same time, not like us who lives in the here,
and now and misses most of what is going on around us.

2. Scripture and faith.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
1. Well He sees it all, at the same time, not like us who lives in the here,
and now and misses most of what is going on around us.

2. Scripture and faith.
Kelly

1. So now he doesn't "see it differently" he just sees it all at once?
Make your mind up!

2. How does having faith allow you to know how your god sees the world?
You are just making it up as you go along ... aren't you?.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
If you use an analogy you must be prepared for it to be used against you.

Are you now saying your analogy is useless? Have we wasted two pages discussing your useless analogy?

What exactly are you saying? (Do you know?)

God is not a man, He isn't limited as men are, the riches of this world and
everything about it already belong to God so it isn't a temptation to God.
God gives life to each of us, He puts up and puts down, He gives and takes
away, unlike men. His judgments are not colored by the flaws we share,
they are based upon a clear picture without anything hidden from Him.
Kelly

Originally posted by wolfgang59
1. So now he doesn't "see it differently" he just sees it all at once?
Make your mind up!

2. How does having faith allow you to know how your god sees the world?
You are just making it up as you go along ... aren't you?.

If you cannot grasp those answers me explaining them to you will not help.
Kelly