10 Nov 13
Originally posted by galveston75And here is a core element of the problem you experience (not just with me) in this forum Galveston. You come here expecting to change views and opinions with your JW messages and yet here you are openly stating you will not change yours. How do you think that makes those who engage with you feel?
...this is my answer and will not change no matter how many times you insist on asking me.
I've asked you hundreds of times if there is anything that your JW leadership tells you that you disagree with or are open to change over and the implicit answer (although you have always avoided answering) is "nothing".
You should stop to consider the implications of this mind-set on your exchanges with people.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by divegeesterFundamentalists know they are right because they have read the truth in a holy book and they know, in advance, that nothing will budge them from their belief. The truth of the holy book is an axiom, not the end product of a process of reasoning. The book is true, and if the evidence seems to contradict it, it is the evidence that must be thrown out, not the book.
And here is a core element of the problem you experience (not just with me) in this forum Galveston. You come here expecting to change views and opinions with your JW messages and yet here you are openly stating you will not change yours. How do you think that makes those who engage with you feel?
I've asked you hundreds of times if there is anything ...[text shortened]...
You should stop to consider the implications of this mind-set on your exchanges with people.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1That's not the case with the JWs who hold their corporation's instruction above the Bible.
Fundamentalists know they are right because they have read the truth in a holy book and they know, in advance, that nothing will budge them from their belief. The truth of the holy book is an axiom, not the end product of a process of reasoning. The book is true, and if the evidence seems to contradict it, it is the evidence that must be thrown out, not the book.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by divegeesterSorry but I don't understand your question as you keep asking it. All I can say is no human is God and we do not have the wisdom and insight to the future as he does and we do not have the right to deside on the who has the right to live on this earth. He tells us not to kill and that I will not do.
I think it is widely accepted that the commandment is do not murder. However this does not explain my question to you which is how to you reconcile your god who tells you to not kill with your believe that your god has the right to kill? Don't you think this is quite hypocritical?
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by divegeesterPerhaps you just don't understand my answers? I see that is a problem for you, not me. I am not going to change any answer just to please you or say what you'd like me to say. Fair enough?
And here is a core element of the problem you experience (not just with me) in this forum Galveston. You come here expecting to change views and opinions with your JW messages and yet here you are openly stating you will not change yours. How do you think that makes those who engage with you feel?
I've asked you hundreds of times if there is anything ...[text shortened]...
You should stop to consider the implications of this mind-set on your exchanges with people.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by galveston75But he doesn't say 'don't kill' he says don't murder. And even if it was "kill" (not murder) you say god has the right to kill.
Sorry but I don't understand your question as you keep asking it. All I can say is no human is God and we do not have the wisdom and insight to the future as he does and we do not have the right to deside on the who has the right to live on this earth. He tells us not to kill and that I will not do.
How do you reconcile your obedience to your JW god who says one thing but does another?
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayOriginally in the ten commandments. Then yes his son Jesus reaffirmed that law a couple different times.
When did God tell his followers not to kill?
Are you refering to something Jesus said?
Kelly
Now yes many of God's people did kill as in protecting the nation of Israel that has been discussed here. But was that command given by a government, ruler, king, president or the leader of an army? No it was a direct command from God.
Up to this date God has not given a direct command for ones he calls his people to fight at all. In fact his son brought this out the night he was arrested and said his followers would not fight as his kingdom is not a part of this world and his followers to remain neutral with the worlds affairs such as war.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by galveston75I'm not asking you to change you answers Galveston; you are being deliberately obtuse. I'm pointing out that you come to this forum with no intention of ever changing your JW indoctrinated views and yet you expect others to change theirs and behave like a child when they either don't change or reject/challenge yours. You seem to think you hold all of god's revealed truth...oh yes of course, you do think that don't you.
Perhaps you just don't understand my answers? I see that is a problem for you, not me. I am not going to change any answer just to please you or say what you'd like me to say. Fair enough?
That is my point.
10 Nov 13
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Originally posted by galveston75How you have the nerve to post that is beyond me. Don't you think you should protect your home or family?
Now yes many of God's people did kill as in protecting the nation of Israel that has been discussed here. But was that command given by a government, ruler, king, president or the leader of an army? No it was a direct command from God.
1 Samuel 15:3 (God speaking)
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
10 Nov 13
"Loyalty to Christ is not the only reason that true Christians are neutral. Unlike ancient Israel, which had a God-given land allocation, we are part of an international brotherhood. (Matthew 28:19; 1 Peter 2:9) Thus, if we were to rally to the side of local political parties, both our freeness of speech in regard to the Kingdom message and our Christian unity would be severely compromised. (1 Corinthians 1:10) Furthermore, during war time, we would be fighting against fellow believers, whom we are commanded to love. (John 13:34, 35; 1 John 3:10-12) With good reason, then, Jesus told his disciples to lay down the sword. And he even told them to love their enemies.—Matthew 5:44; 26:52"
LV book.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by divegeesterYou need to read post my friend. It has been discussed many times and that is not what this thread is about.
How you have the nerve to post that is beyond me. Don't you think you should protect your home or family?
[b]1 Samuel 15:3 (God speaking)
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.[/b]