05 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHinds"We are not allowed to hate our brother without justification."
Don't overlook the difference between killing and Murder. According to Jesus, it is murder that God commanded man not to do. For example, we are allowed to kill for food and as a part of war. We are not allowed to hate our brother without justification.
The Instructor
Where do you see we are allowed to hate anyone, with or without justification?
Kelly
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJay“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.
"We are not allowed to hate our brother without justification."
Where do you see we are allowed to hate anyone, with or without justification?
Kelly
(Matthew 5:21-22 NKJV)
The Instructor
05 Nov 13
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Originally posted by KellyJayNobody dispute whether he can kill (assuming he exists). What is being asked is whether he has the right to do so.
I've gone over this hundreds of times, in detail!
That scripture lets everyone know God has appointed a time for all us to
die. God has put up all the boundaries in the universe for freezing, boiling,
evaporation, the lives of man, and so on. He can choose to do with all of
the above as He wills.
Kelly
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHindsIt says it is angry, not hate, and you who are supposed to love those
[b]“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.
(Matthew 5:21-22 NKJV)
The Instructor[/b]
Jesus died for, who you can see, how can you love God who you cannot see?
Kelly
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadBut I'm not the one who gave them their life, God did. So no I would have no right to ever take their life.
How does that have any bearing on the question? You are the source of the life of your children. Do you therefore have the right to kill them?
But getting back to my original question which was based on how some feel that God has taken from our viewpoint, innocent life's in the past as with the flood or when his people were ordered by him to attack other nations. Was God wrong and cruel in doing that? Did he have justification at all?
05 Nov 13
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Originally posted by KellyJayI had associated hate with anger, probably because of what John wrote in 1 John 3:15. However, I see your point that one can be angry with another without going to the point of hatred.
It says it is angry, not hate, and you who are supposed to love those
Jesus died for, who you can see, how can you love God who you cannot see?
Kelly
The Instructor
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by galveston75God gives and takes away, God puts up and takes down. No different than
But I'm not the one who gave them their life, God did. So no I would have no right to ever take their life.
But getting back to my original question which was based on how some feel that God has taken from our viewpoint, innocent life's in the past as with the flood or when his people were ordered by him to attack other nations. Was God wrong and cruel in doing that? Did he have justification at all?
the story within scripture about potter and clay, the universe is His to do
with as He wills.
Kelly
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by galveston75I still don't think its a valid claim. Giving life does not automatically give you the right to take it.
But I'm not the one who gave them their life, God did. So no I would have no right to ever take their life.
But getting back to my original question which was based on how some feel that God has taken from our viewpoint, innocent life's in the past as with the flood or when his people were ordered by him to attack other nations. Was God wrong and cruel in doing that? Did he have justification at all?
If the story is true then God was wrong and cruel and did not have sufficient justification.
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayYes we all know perfectly well that he can do so and does so with impunity (if he exists). That is not the question. You are avoiding the question. The question is whether or not he has the right to do so, or whether he is morally right to do so.
God gives and takes away, God puts up and takes down.
Simply saying over and over that he does do so, doesn't answer the question.
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadLife is on loan from God. If you borrow your neighbors car, does that give you the right to keep it forever?
Yes we all know perfectly well that he can do so and does so with impunity (if he exists). That is not the question. You are avoiding the question. The question is whether or not he has the right to do so, or whether he is morally right to do so.
Simply saying over and over that he does do so, doesn't answer the question.
The Instructor
05 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHindsTrue, the universe belongs to Him, our lives included, everything we have
Life is on loan from God. If you borrow your neighbors car, does that give you the right to keep it forever?
The Instructor
it all belongs to God. Which is one of the reasons why we are told that no
matter we need to praise God in whatever state we are in, for this is the
will of God for us. This should remind us too, that we cannot look at our
lives and think, because we are doing well God is pleased with us, or to have
bad things occur to us that God is mad at us. When it rains, both the good
and bad get wet.
Kelly