Originally posted by menace71You need to take your time and read. It is always a good practice to read carefully before responding.
Rajk999 your assuming a lot that was not said ........salvation however is a gift from God and really can't be earned by some single righteous act and all I'm saying is that we all fall short of God's perfect standard.....so why be righteous ? because we love God and if we love God we will do what is right ......of course we demonstrate our faith by our wor ...[text shortened]... No not at all. One can't continue to live an evil life and call themselves a Christian
Manny
There are many Christians that claim that their sin would not be counted against them and that they cannot lose their eternal life. They are saved and not even God can change that.
The bible does not support that doctrine.
Are you doubting that there are Christians that live evil sinful lives?
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999I said God wants to save man ...........HE wants to save us from our sins
Just off the top of my head:
- I profess I believe in Christ therefore Im saved eternally [SONSHIP]
- Not even God can take away my eternal life [SONSHIP AND CHECKBAITER]
- Christ died for my sins past present and future [MANNY & CHECKBAITER]
- I have eternal life now [CHECKBAITER]
- My sins are all paid for, ...[text shortened]... ts .. I am under Grace. [CHECKBAITER]
I have to say KJ .. you have a hell of a poor memory.
Manny
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999I would question if they were really Christians to begin with if once knowing the truth and the Gospel and the gift of God that they then continued to live an evil life
You need to take your time and read. It is always a good practice to read carefully before responding.
There are many Christians that claim that their sin would not be counted against them and that they cannot lose their eternal life. They are saved and not even God can change that.
The bible does not support that doctrine.
Are you doubting that there are Christians that live evil sinful lives?
Manny
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by menace71I personally can't speak for others but I'm not so presumptuous to think that I could continue to willfully sin non stop and think that I was a Christian ........that being said I believe Christian can and do sin sometimes
I would question if they were really Christians to begin with if once knowing the truth and the Gospel and the gift of God that they then continued to live an evil life
Manny
Manny
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by menace71God wants to save man.
I said God wants to save man ...........HE wants to save us from our sins
Manny
Is that your way of saying that man has nothing to do?
Man has to please God by his good works and his actions.
then and only then would man would get into Gods Kingdom
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by menace71No. no no .. these are Christians that live evil sinful lives.
I would question if they were really Christians to begin with if once knowing the truth and the Gospel and the gift of God that they then continued to live an evil life
Manny
Why do you need to question what they believe or what they are in the first place?
09 Oct 15
However Peter sinned after knowing and living with Jesus for 3 years and we can look at the old testament prophets .....David sinned and murdered a man....yet he was called a man after God's heart explain that ? Abraham lied and sinned concerning his wife Sarah .....sin = death no joke .....my point is this also why did Jesus die on a cross ? if God did not want to save humans ? that's all
Manny
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Well fine ....Jesus did say ....the Kingdom of God is like a field or crop and then an enemy came and sowed tares into the wheat ......but God will separate the Wheat from the tares.....many profess to be Christians many many do ......You can know people by their works and their fruit .....How they live their lives this is simple
No. no no .. these are Christians that live evil sinful lives.
Why do you need to question what they believe or what they are in the first place?
Manny
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Man is not without responsibility........however if Jesus did not pay the price for sins then nobody could be saved at all. However yes God wants to save man from his sins or else why the Gospel ? let him who has ears listen and part of obeying the Gospel is repenting from a life of sin .......why? Not because that alone saves you but you want to please God
God wants to save man.
Is that your way of saying that man has nothing to do?
Man has to please God by his good works and his actions.
then and only then would man would get into Gods Kingdom
Manny
10 Oct 15
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB
Manny
10 Oct 15
Originally posted by menace71Notice how salvation comes before the God works God has for us!
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB
Manny
Originally posted by KellyJayNotice also how Paul continues the discourse in chapters 3 and 4 about good works, righteousness and refraining from sin.
Notice how salvation comes before the God works God has for us!
Notice how in Chapter 5 Paul says this:
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. (Eph 5:2-6)
In every one of Pauls letters to the saints he warns about the consequences of sin and living unrighteously. The consequences is damnation and destruction. In the book of Galatians which I quoted earlier it the same thing. Paul speaks of being saved by the death of Christ BUT warns the Christian of the dire consequences of falling into worldiness and sin:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)
There must be some reason why some Christians prefer to believe in false doctrines rather than the truth...
10 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Never one time denied we would be doing good works and without a doubt we should avoid
Notice also how Paul continues the discourse in chapters 3 and 4 about good works, righteousness and refraining from sin.
Notice how in Chapter 5 Paul says this:
[i]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetou ...[text shortened]... be some reason why some Christians prefer to believe in false doctrines rather than the truth...
sin. None of that changes that only through Jesus Christ are we saved, there is no other
name!
10 Oct 15
Originally posted by KellyJayA man is saved by Jesus and the blood of Christ YES.. BUT only if he lives righteously. You seem to think that a Christian always does good works but the Bible does not say any such thing.
Never one time denied we would be doing good works and without a doubt we should avoid
sin. None of that changes that only through Jesus Christ are we saved, there is no other
name!