Spirituality
25 Aug 09
25 Aug 09
I am starting to think we go nowhere upon death. No Heaven no Hell. We just evaporate into everything. We become a part of everything, and in so doing we go back to being God. We lose our position in it all. There is no position, but only oneness with it all. Scary stuff to think about. From an ego standpoint it sounds horrible. The loss of self seems like the loss of everything, but it might just be that the opposite is true. The longing for more will be gone and completion might be the reality.
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by buckkyBucky, you discribe yourself as "filthy sinner". Let's assume for moment that you are serious. You do have some kind of sense that you have transgressed and committed sins.
I am starting to think we go nowhere upon death. No Heaven no Hell. We just evaporate into everything. We become a part of everything, and in so doing we go back to being God. We lose our position in it all. There is no position, but only oneness with it all. Scary stuff to think about. From an ego standpoint it sounds horrible. The loss of self seems like th ...[text shortened]... hat the opposite is true. The longing for more will be gone and completion might be the reality.
What are you going to do about those sins ? Were those sins against this God with whom you hope to be one with upon "evaporation"?
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by buckkyThat's pretty much it. It's pretty much impossible to imagine since it's just the complete absence of any thought.
I am starting to think we go nowhere upon death. No Heaven no Hell. We just evaporate into everything. We become a part of everything, and in so doing we go back to being God. We lose our position in it all. There is no position, but only oneness with it all. Scary stuff to think about. From an ego standpoint it sounds horrible. The loss of self seems like th ...[text shortened]... hat the opposite is true. The longing for more will be gone and completion might be the reality.
I agree that it's scary since our life is everything and we lose all of that on dying.
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by PsychoPawnYou will not lose the Spirit of Jesus which you allow God to wrought into your soul. You will not lose the Christ that God works into your being through your faith and cooperation.
That's pretty much it. It's pretty much impossible to imagine since it's just the complete absence of any thought.
I agree that it's scary since our life is everything and we lose all of that on dying.
"And the world is passing away, and its lust, but he who does the will of God abides forever." (1 John 2:17)
Think of carrying a glass of water from one room to the next. You are not allowed to carry anything out of the first room except the water. Yet if you have a tea bag and you put it into the water, the water will become tea-water. The flavor of the tea bag will permeate and saturate the water.
This way when you carry the glass of water into the next room you can also carry the tea. It has been mingled with the water.
We can carry into the next age, the next world, the Jesus Christ who has been mingled with our soul. We can have our souls saturated with the true worth, the true value, and the truly most precious thing in all the universe, the Son of God.
"That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith ..." (Eph. 3:17)
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillI have a feeling that my sin's are a petty matter compared to the big picture. What could a small nothing speck like myself do that is soo horrible that the Lord of all Creation would be upset over ? I think the idea of this God sitting in judgement might just be a misconception. In the beginning there was nothing but God. Out of nothing but God came everything. Everything just might be God. The stuff of the universe is God. Pure intelligence is all there is. Maybe. I'm only speculating of course.
Bucky, you discribe yourself as "filthy sinner". Let's assume for moment that you are serious. You do have some kind of sense that you have transgressed and committed sins.
What are you going to do about those sins ? Were those sins against this God with whom you hope to be one with upon "evaporation"?
25 Aug 09
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I have a feeling that my sin's are a petty matter compared to the big picture. What could a small nothing speck like myself do that is soo horrible that the Lord of all Creation would be upset over ? I think the idea of this God sitting in judgement might just be a misconception. In the beginning there was nothing but God. Out of nothing but God came everythi ...[text shortened]... the universe is God. Pure intelligence is all there is. Maybe. I'm only speculating of course.
I have a feeling that my sin's are a petty matter compared to the big picture.
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I consider that this great God is also a God of tremendous minute attention to small details. Christ said that the hairs on our head were numbered. And the Old Testament says that God knew all the names of the stars.
When I pluck out a hair from my head, God knows which number it is. And of the billions of stars in the universe, He has a name for each one.
So I believe the big picture is made up of little pictures and this One keeps track of both. Such wonderful attention to detail works for us very positively too.
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What could a small nothing speck like myself do that is soo horrible that the Lord of all Creation would be upset over ?
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In the fabric of eternity the microcosm of my minutest action has a place. This same Creator of galaxies and local groups of galaxies is the One overseeing quarks, electrons, atoms, etc.
We should therefore not consider that we and what we do is of no significance.
Such giveness to the big picture as well as the micro picture works on our behalf. It does not just work against us if we sin. It works for us in our healing and moment to moment comfort and peace. He can cleanse and comfort us on a "molecular" level. The conscious and the subconscious down to the most minute detail can be nourished and healed by Christ.
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I think the idea of this God sitting in judgement might just be a misconception.
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You yourself say you have a sense of being a filthy sinner. The question I think is, do you want God to throw away His righteousness and just forgive you in a loose way?
Do you want God to involve Himself in forgiving you unrighteously?
Do you want God to implicate Himself in releasing you from responsibility?
Do you want God to forgive you irresponsibly at the expense of His perfection?
If you answer "Yes" you are being honest. Me too. You see, we sinners don't CARE how we get forgiven by God, just as long as we get forgiven. If God tosses away His perfect holiness to forgive us, we don't care.
We are like the thief who steals money. He doesn't care HOW he gets the money as long as he gets it. The procedure doesn't matter. The method, he couldn't care less about. Just as long as we are returned to God, we don't care how it happens.
This is our human problem. We want God to justify at the expense of His dignity, His righteous procedure, and His majesty which our sins have insulted.
We just want His love. We do not want Him to be just or righteous. Do you know that some forms of forgiveness are unrighteous ?
God has not overlooked our sins in a sloppy way, irrresponsibly as we would like.
God has judged our sins in the death of Christ on our behalf. Justice has been imputed on the cross on the sinner's behalf.
The "filthy sinner" can say 'God, all of my filthy sins have already been judged by you on the cross of Calvary in the death of Christ on my behalf."
It seems as "free forgiveness". But to God there is no such thing. There is no forgiveness without punishment, without justice.
This is His righteous procedure. He will not forgive us without the judgment of our sins. And Christ died on our behalf to accomplish that.
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In the beginning there was nothing but God. Out of nothing but God came everything. Everything just might be God. The stuff of the universe is God. Pure intelligence is all there is. Maybe. I'm only speculating of course.
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25 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillThat's quite the nice bit of preaching you did.
You will not lose the Spirit of Jesus which you allow God to wrought into your soul. You will not lose the Christ that God works into your being through your faith and cooperation.
[b]"And the world is passing away, and its lust, but he who does the will of God abides forever." (1 John 2:17)
Think of carrying a glass of water from one room to t ...[text shortened]... od.
"That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith ..." (Eph. 3:17)[/b]
It's all pretty much speculation based on your own religious faith though - not really based on anything else.
25 Aug 09
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnSee that?
That's quite the nice bit of preaching you did.
It's all pretty much speculation based on your own religious faith though - not really based on anything else.
I quote the Bible to show my basis and people complain "You're quoting the Bible too much". Then I don't quote the Bible to show the basis for what I say and "Its just your speculation".
25 Aug 09
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Originally posted by PsychoPawn=====================
That's quite the nice bit of preaching you did.
It's all pretty much speculation based on your own religious faith though - not really based on anything else.
That's quite the nice bit of preaching you did.
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But you get preaching all the time. Everytime you flick on the TV you get someone preaching to you what Viagra to buy, beer to drink, car to drive, food to guzzle down, etc. etc.
Here I am preaching to you how you can receive eternal life. And you trash it.
Look at your browser. Look along the top and around the sides. All kinds of preaching to you is going on.
So I tell you of the love of Jesus for your soul. God has sent me to preach to you of the salvation of your whole being. I have been commissioned to go and tell you that Jesus loves you and that He wants to grant you the gift of eternal life.
Be clear that God has sent me to tell you, by preaching, that Christ died and rose for your eternal salvation.
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillThank you for spending so much time in your response. I guess if I were to be honest you have the obligation to try and SAVE me. Thanks for the try, but I just don't see it like you.
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I have a feeling that my sin's are a petty matter compared to the big picture.
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I consider that this great God is also a God of tremendous minute attention to small details. Christ said that the hairs on our head were numbered. And the Old Testament says that God knew all ...[text shortened]... be. I'm only speculating of course.
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25 Aug 09
Originally posted by buckkyThe universe existed for billions of years before you were born. Before your personhood, or self existed. That didn't bother you in the slightest. Why, then, should it bother you that it will continue in a similar fashion once you are gone?
I am starting to think we go nowhere upon death. No Heaven no Hell. We just evaporate into everything. We become a part of everything, and in so doing we go back to being God. We lose our position in it all. There is no position, but only oneness with it all. Scary stuff to think about. From an ego standpoint it sounds horrible. The loss of self seems like th ...[text shortened]... hat the opposite is true. The longing for more will be gone and completion might be the reality.
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillI never said you quote the bible too much. When your source of your faith is the bible then it's only natural to quote the bible.
See that?
I quote the Bible to show my basis and people complain "You're quoting the Bible too much". Then I don't quote the Bible to show the basis for what I say and "Its just your speculation".
It is speculation as to what happens when you die. How is it not?
25 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillHere I am preaching to you how you can receive eternal life. And you trash it.
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That's quite the nice bit of preaching you did.
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But you get preaching all the time. Everytime you flick on the TV you get someone preaching to you what Viagra to buy, beer to drink, car to drive, food to guzzle down, etc. etc.
Here I am preaching to you how you can receive eternal l ...[text shortened]... od has sent me to tell you, by preaching, that Christ died and rose for your eternal salvation.[/b]
You are preaching to me about your faith. I didn't trash it. How did I insult you? Is it that I don't take it as the gospel truth?
Look at your browser. Look along the top and around the sides. All kinds of preaching to you is going on.
And I don't buy those products either.
Be clear that God has sent me to tell you, by preaching, that Christ died and rose for your eternal salvation
And you've done that so you've fulfilled your contract that your faith requires.