31 Dec 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWell you submitting its a few billion year old eternal universe? You submitting its in a perpetual onion of ever recreating itself? The reason for either of those simply to avoid a universe with a plan and purpose?
Why do you assume there is a beginning? Why couldn't the universe always have existed?
You, after all, have set the precedent by claiming God to be eternal and outside the human concept of time.
What makes you go here or whatever you are about to suggest?
I do believe in a eternal creator who isn't bound or limited to this universe who knitted it together to support life.
31 Dec 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI was just questioning your statement. I see you take it as a statement of faith. I don't really care what you put faith in. I was just curious to see if you would be a hypocrite about your faith.
So no, you have nothing with which to support your notion of an eternal God?
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31 Dec 16
Originally posted by KellyJayMy point is sir, to the question 'without a creator, how did the universe come into existence,' I tender the answer, 'why, the universe has always existed.'
Well you submitting its a few billion year old eternal universe? You submitting its in a perpetual onion of ever recreating itself? The reason for either of those simply to avoid a universe with a plan and purpose?
What makes you go here or whatever you are about to suggest?
I do believe in a eternal creator who isn't bound or limited to this universe who knitted it together to support life.
To this answer you can not simply say 'everything has a beginning' without abandoning your belief in an eternal God.
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31 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarI have no faith sir. Didn't you know?
I was just questioning your statement. I see you take it as a statement of faith. I don't really care what you put faith in. I was just curious to see if you would be a hypocrite about your faith.
Happy new year. Hope it is one full of good health and happiness.
31 Dec 16
Everyone please remember that theists will give the correct answer if they know it, but, if they don't have the slightest idea, they give god the credit. Such an answer stifles intellectual curiosity. We would probably have cures for dementia and cancer and have colonized the planets by now except for the thousand years the Dark Ages set humanity back.
31 Dec 16
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Originally posted by 667joeInstead of blaming others try looking in the mirror.
Everyone please remember that theists will give the correct answer if they know it, but, if they don't have the slightest idea, they give god the credit. Such an answer stifles intellectual curiosity. We would probably have cures for dementia and cancer and have colonized the planets by now except for the thousand years the Dark Ages set humanity back.
31 Dec 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI believe in an eternal God, the universe isn't eternal from what I've been told its a several
My point is sir, to the question 'without a creator, how did the universe come into existence,' I tender the answer, 'why, the universe has always existed.'
To this answer you can not simply say 'everything has a beginning' without abandoning your belief in an eternal God.
billions of years old. Being any amount of years old outside of timeless means it is not
eternal, so if it isn't eternal when why is it here?
31 Dec 16
Originally posted by 667joeIf the only explanation to date that covers all the bases is God, than I suggest God has to
Everyone please remember that theists will give the correct answer if they know it, but, if they don't have the slightest idea, they give god the credit. Such an answer stifles intellectual curiosity. We would probably have cures for dementia and cancer and have colonized the planets by now except for the thousand years the Dark Ages set humanity back.
be thought of as a possible source. If you can give me some other reason, I'm willing to
see it, please do come up with one.
Originally posted by 667joeGeneric religion is the human condition. Blame religiins other than your own for your problems if you like. This too is part of the human condition.
How does that make up for the thousand years religion set science back?
In any case, if you would contribute, we would not be as far behind.
31 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarBut you looking back at your wasted life want to blame others for your own failures.
Geneic religion is the human condition. Blame religiins other than your own for your problems if you like. This too is part of the human condition.
In any case, if you would contribute, we would not be as far behind.
31 Dec 16
Originally posted by Suzianne...Well, religion includes things like rituals which are not philosophical. But claims about gods must involve metaphysics, right? Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy.
Yes, but I wouldn't conflate religion with philosophy. Religion is more than some mere 'thought exercise'. In its proper place and scale, it can be the basis for a "life well lived", which Jesus described as life lived "more abundantly".
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Religion can be the basis for a good life, but so can other philosophies.